Overtime Pay

[IBT1108PIC]

Can you guys give me a general rundown of how the overtime or extra pay perks work at your companies?

1) Paid extra over 12 or 14 hrs of duty?

2) Paid extra for going out early or getting home late?

3) Is the OT a standard 1.5 of day pay?

Thanks for the info:

Needed:
NJ
CS
FLEX
XO

 

[gunfyter]

Nj

1. Overtime for over 12 hours but not over 14 hours... if its flight duty. No incentive to be unsafe and work more than 14 hours while flying.

2. First day before 0800L. Overtime(Undertime). Plus if you start before 0800 (first day) ... Overtime begins again after you have been on duty 9 hrs.

Last day ... if you are not home by midnight ... you get two Extended days pay ... 2 X 1.5 (normal daily rate).

3. Yes overtime is 1.5 times daily/hourly rate.

 

[gutshotdraw]

NJI

1. Zip...until November 20, 2010.

2. Zip for early, zip for late with a couple exceptions (over 18 hours or home arrival after 0500 on go-home day)...until November 20, 2010.

3. Extended day is base salary / 182 x 1.5. Hourly OT is...zip. Until November 20, 2010.


Is it November yet?

 

[Dassault]

NJI

1. Zip...until November 20, 2010.

2. Zip for early, zip for late with a couple exceptions (over 18 hours or home arrival after 0500 on go-home day)...until November 20, 2010.

3. Extended day is base salary / 182 x 1.5. Hourly OT is...zip. Until November 20, 2010.


Is it November yet?

I assume you mean after 5am on the day AFTER your go home day.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I assume you mean after 5am on the day AFTER your go home day.

Correctamundo. If the airline snafu's and we get home after 5 AM on day 8, we get a choice of ONE extended day or a comp day off. If you get home after midnight, you get a comp day off. If your airline blocks in at 11:59, bupkus.

Until November 20th, 2010. (Actually, the 21st is more correct. That is the day the contract will actually go into effect)

 

[ITFL]

Can you guys give me a general rundown of how the overtime or extra pay perks work at your companies?

1) Paid extra over 12 or 14 hrs of duty?

2) Paid extra for going out early or getting home late?

3) Is the OT a standard 1.5 of day pay?

Thanks for the info:

Needed:
NJ
CS
FLEX
XO

I don't think you will get a response from anyone at Flex or CA. NJ is the only other frac that has rules like the ones you describe.

I wonder why that is?

 

[XTW]

Ca

CA

1) Day 7 only, see #2

2) OT day for arrivals after 0000L day 8 or after 16hrs duty on day 7 (work+ travel to base)(will also provide hotel on arrival at base if requested, if too tired to drive home)

3) OT= 1.5x daily rate


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[notapilot]

I don't think you will get a response from anyone at Flex or CA. NJ is the only other frac that has rules like the ones you describe.

I wonder why that is?

Please tell what you mean and why that is.

 

[Pacific]

Can you guys give me a general rundown of how the overtime or extra pay perks work at your companies?

1) Paid extra over 12 or 14 hrs of duty?

2) Paid extra for going out early or getting home late?

3) Is the OT a standard 1.5 of day pay?

Thanks for the info:

Needed:
NJ
CS
FLEX
XO

Flex:

1.) Hourly OT starts at 12 hrs (day rate/12 = hrly OT Rate)

2.) Paid extra for earlystarts (before 0500 local) on first day. If not home by midnight then paid an OT day in addition to last day regular day.

3.) The OT day rate is determined by seniority, seat and equipment.

 

[ITFL]

Flex:

1.) Hourly OT starts at 12 hrs (day rate/12 = hrly OT Rate)

2.) Paid extra for earlystarts (before 0500 local) on first day. If not home by midnight then paid an OT day in addition to last day regular day.

3.) The OT day rate is determined by seniority, seat and equipment.

Ok, I stand corrected. Just curious, when you say, "Paid extra for earlystarts (before 0500 local). How is that defined? If, for instance, you had a 6am airline scheduled, when would you be considered on duty?

 

[Pacific]

Ok, I stand corrected. Just curious, when you say, "Paid extra for earlystarts (before 0500 local). How is that defined? If, for instance, you had a 6am airline scheduled, when would you be considered on duty?

1 hour before airline flight is when duty begins, so 5 am.

 

[NachoMamma]

NJI

1. Zip...until November 20, 2010...

Is it November yet?

You're welcome

 

[notapilot]

1 hour before airline flight is when duty begins, so 5 am.

domestic

 

[gutshotdraw]

You're welcome

It ain't all sweetness and light. Some good, some bad.

Overtime: good. Per diem: bad.

Union lawyer when you step on your johnson: good. NJA type scheduling system: bad.

Contractual protections and built-in pay raises: good. Possibility of losing Okatie and going back to CMH scheduling hell: bad

 

[NachoMamma]

Getting free seniority by DOH protecting you from furloughs ahead of dues paying members who are now on the street: Good (more like highway robbery)

Possibility of losing Okatie and going back to CMH scheduling hell: bad

More than a possiblity...that is a certainty.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Getting free seniority by DOH protecting you from furloughs ahead of dues paying members who are now on the street: Good (more like highway robbery)



More than a possiblity...that is a certainty.

Free seniority? Free seniority? I thought the argument for the 11 years I've been here is that we all got hired by the same company and that's why we're a single carrier. If so, then I got hired by the same company in 1999 with the attendant seniority and longevity. If not, then fine. Let's go back to being separate companies so we can bring back the 27 who got furloughed when our company was already right sized and we now have to back-fill their spots with NJA people because we're short-staffed.

We may not have paid "dues" but we've paid. Limited OT, no lump-sum retro, no signing bonus, unnecessary furloughs. As a group we've gotten over the negatives of the integration and are ready to embrace the good. It's time for you to do the same.

 

[NachoMamma]

Oh I've gotten over the integration...the simply fact is that there's nothing I can do about it. So whether or not I "get over it" is irrelevant. The simple fact is that you folks got to keep you jobs when our folks (who paid dues) did not. Like it or not, those are the facts. So at the end of the day, yes...the FREE seniority you speak of was paid for by those that earned it, and is now enjoyed by those who did not.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Then let's go back to separate companies.

 

[gutshotdraw]

One update item: It appears as if the company will have to offer us a daily choice of receipt reimbursement or per diem (with restrictions) to comply with IRS regulations regarding meals. After the start date in early March, if you order more than 2 crew meals during a duty day, your per diem will be taxed as normal wages. If you order 1 or 2 crew meals, you get your per diem and no taxes. Or you can just select receipt reimbursement with no tax liability. Personally, I'll take option 3.

 

[RJ Bum]

Oh I've gotten over the integration...the simply fact is that there's nothing I can do about it. So whether or not I "get over it" is irrelevant. The simple fact is that you folks got to keep you jobs when our folks (who paid dues) did not. Like it or not, those are the facts. So at the end of the day, yes...the FREE seniority you speak of was paid for by those that earned it, and is now enjoyed by those who did not.

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