Lisa Tealer can't use seat-back trays when she's flying because she's "fat"

[DieselDragRacer]

Lisa Tealer can't use seat-back trays when she's flying because she's "fat," she says.


So the diversity executive of a biotech company in the San Francisco Bay Area uses her laptop as her tray. She uses candor about her weight to defuse awkward situations during boarding. "If I have to sit in the middle, I tell people, 'Hopefully, it won't be too uncomfortable for you.' "


Mark Diamond, a 6-foot-4 CEO of a technology firm in California, is an avid student of aircraft types so he can avoid the seat he most dreads — a bulkhead seat that keeps him from slipping his legs under the seat in front of him. "It's a lot of work. I hear guys who are 5-6 complain about how difficult flying is, and I'm like, 'You have no idea,' " he says.



Flying — an act that entails sitting still, often for hours, in a cramped space — has never been easy for those who carry more of themselves on board than others. But travelers who are heavy or tall are feeling the effects of airlines' penny-pinching moves more acutely than others.



The average legroom in coach is getting smaller. The seat width remains unchanged in decades even as Americans get bigger. Airlines are increasingly using small regional planes to serve less-popular destinations.



To combat slow demand, they've eliminated capacity, resulting in fuller planes and stiffer competition for upgrades. And airlines' rules requiring obese passengers to pay for an extra seat are being enforced more strictly.



Seats and girths don't match
The controversy over paying for a second seat resurfaced earlier this year when United Airlines said it would follow other carriers in requiring overweight passengers in coach to buy a second ticket if two open seats aren't available. Passengers who can't lower their armrest and require more than one seat-belt extender must buy a second ticket at the price of the original ticket. United spokeswoman Robin Urbanski says it adopted the policy after receiving more than 700 complaints in 2008 from passengers who complained of an overweight seatmate encroaching on their space.
Other U.S. carriers have a similar policy. Southwest is aggressive about enforcing it, says Brandon Macsata, executive director of the Association for Airline Passenger Rights.



Southwest requires passengers who are deemed "customers of size" to buy a second seat at a discounted or child's fare at boarding. If the flight has unsold seats, customers will be issued a refund. The policy is "about safety," Southwest spokeswoman Brandy King says.



Macsata says airlines' "fat tax" overlooks the fact that seat size hasn't kept up with increasing girth. From 1960 to 2002, Americans have become on average of about 25 pounds heavier. The typical seat width — at 17 inches to 18.5 inches — hasn't changed since 1958, he says.
Tealer says she has never been asked to buy another ticket but says coach seats can be painful. "Your hips are pressing against the armrest. I've had bruises, muscle pain."


The armrest test to determine who should buy a second ticket also is discriminatory against women, says Tealer, who's a board member of the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, which is battling the second-ticket rule. "Women carry weight more in the hip area. People of color tend to be bigger."


The federal Air Carrier Access Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability in air travel but doesn't cover size. But obesity can result from debilitating or chronic medical conditions, Macsata says.
He has called for airlines to retrofit at least the first economy-cabin row with wider seats for heavy passengers who mostly wouldn't mind paying "a bit more."


Tealer has simple strategies for air travel: book as early as possible; fly during less-busy hours, such as early in the morning or overnight; and avoid exit and emergency rows where armrests don't go up.
She prefers aisle seats because she can lean over the aisle for more room. She tries to use the airport restroom before boarding so that she doesn't have to bother seatmates and avoids cramped aircraft restrooms.


'Aspirin and codeine' after trips
A shortage of legroom is a common complaint. But it's a particularly, and literally, sore topic for tall travelers, many of whom have become dedicated students of aircraft interiors in hopes of securing a few more inches.



Domestic economy cabins provide on average of about 32 inches of legroom, or seat pitch. But several airlines, such as AirTran, Allegiant and Spirit, have introduced a 30-inch pitch in recent years, says Matt Daimler of the website SeatGuru.



Robert Kleeman, a 6-foot-5 business valuation specialist from Denver, selects flights based on aircraft types because he can't tolerate the coach seats in Boeing 737 and regional jets made by Embraer or Canadair. "It'll hit my knees even without the seat (in front) reclining," he says.



He prefers Boeing 777s and 767s. But he has seen an uncomfortable surge in smaller planes to many of his destinations. "Even on a Denver-Chicago trip recently, the only option was a regional jet," he says.


SeatGuru's Daimler says legroom in regional jets isn't less on average than on mainline aircraft. But the ceiling is lower, and the aisle is narrower. "There is a feeling of being tighter overall. For those sitting in window seats, the wall curves earlier."


Diamond, the tech executive, says legroom is so important that he prefers a regular reclining seat in coach over a bulkhead seat in first class. "Bulkhead seats are the enemy of tall travelers. They're hard to recline. Your feet are cramped."



Mike Nicholes, 70, an auto-parts-industry consultant from Portland, Ore., who is 6-2 and weighs 275 pounds, flies almost weekly to see clients in small cities on what he calls "Barbie jets."



"If I have an eight-hour flight back home from the East Coast, I'm on aspirin and codeine the next morning," he says.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2009-10-26-big-tall-fliers_N.htm

 

[Mike man]

Maybe they should start taking the train...they would have several days of enough room to move around, walk from car to car and even buy some over priced crappy food.

 

[Whataburger]

Anyone else getting tired of angry fat people?

 

[TZtoSWA]

Yes, I am way past tired of them...

Unfortunately, "angry fat people" describes more and more of the Flight Attendants I work with.

 

[Booker]

Anyone else getting tired of angry fat people?

Yes, and I used to be one. (Now I'm just an angry not-so-fat person.)

 

[DieselDragRacer]

Why not weigh the PAX along with their luggage at check in? Maybe the first xxx combined pounds fly at no additional charge?

 

[Whataburger]

I'm fatter than I am slim, but dang.
Use you belly shelf, vagomic, or fupa to set your coke and peanuts on. No need getting angry. My kids put their chicken fingers, fries, and bottle in the pouch in their bibs. Maybe we should offer free bibs w/pouches to "Customers of Size".:beer:

 

[flynryan15]

You are using 2 of the companies product you pay for it plain and simple! How about to poor crew member that gets stuck dead heading or commuting next to you? While you steal the armrest or just push it up and allow your lard to spill over into their space.

How would they like it if I got to her biotech firm or his technology company and demand 2 for 1's on their product?

 

[LR45JI]

Thankfully the last time I flew an airline was over a year ago.....

However, as someone who is 6'4", flying coach on a RJ (or any coach seat) can be physically painful.

I have no sympathy for the FAT people. Call in "insensitive" or whatever but your FAT and it's your fault. Eat less, put down the Coke, take a walk and shut your mouth - that's what got you here in the first place.

 

[Rook]

Lisa Tealer is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm-_Cnyk3u0

 

[Raoul Duke]

Anyone else getting tired of angry fat people?

yes, no one likes the NWA flight attendants

 

[Metro752]

for an "executive" this woman is an idiot.

I was looking at tickets from the west coast to the east coast online with 3 stops, and it was $370ish more to fly first class each way all on mainline a/c to smaller out of hub stations.

STFU and buy the first class ticket, or another seat. JFC.

 

[NEDude]

If you have a condition that causes you to get fat, get help for it. If you are lazy, stop asking everyone to accomodate for your laziness. Get off you fat butt, exchange your twinkies for an apple, switch to diet coke, and walk for 30 minutes every day. It will be amazing what happens.

I started to become one of "those" people, was getting up there in pounds. I switched to diet coke, started eating an apple or an orange every day, dropped the whole milk to skim, and started walking 30 minutes a day. The result? In one year I lost forty pounds. You know what, I have kept it off, and it was very easy to do.

I worked with a morbidly obese guy once. He always complained that it was a medical condition. You know what his "medical condition" was? Well I am pretty sure it had to do with the fifteen hostess cupcakes and two liter bottle of pepsi he would eat for lunch every day.

I have little sympathy.

 

[nimtz]

"diversity executive of a biotech company in the San Francisco Bay Area"

Guaranteed to have a lick her license...

 

[crashpad]

I love greeting each and every pax boarding on my plane. I'm very frank with them about leg room, ticket prices, etc..when I hear them whining. Most of the time they STFU. Of course, they get special treatment from the F/As when I point them out.
I love this industry!!!

 

[scoreboardII]

But obesity can result from debilitating or chronic medical conditions,

Uhhhhhh, like the inability to stop moving your hand from the plate to your pie-hole? I did not know that was a disease, learn something everyday.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Airlines should start charging $100 for a seatbelt extension.



Dear Lisa,

Your inability to move your ass and eat right is a burden on the rest of us. I'm tired of listening to all the whining and finger pointing from people with no discipline and bad habits.

 

[donvag]

Fat is not genetic, it is learned. Have you ever observed fat people at the airport foodcourt? They always use massive amounts of salt and super size there meals. It is not genetics. Was everyone in the Mayflower fat?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

No, no, no! You guys have it all wrong. If they're fat (Passengers Of Size), they should get two of everything at no extra charge!

At McWaddles, two BigMacs, since they have so much to feed!
At hotels, queen size bed becomes a king size!
A Honda Accord becomes a 1993 Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagon, etc.

 

[Sluggo_63]

My solution would be, don't make them buy an extra seat, just make all the POSs sit in the same row. Let them all flab over each other and try to figure out how to all three fit in 23 A,B, and C.

 

[KigAir]

I hate when I am stuck behind two fatties walking down the hallway at work. There isn't enough room to pass and when you do see a chance to get by and accidently touch one of them they give me the "Excuse you" look at the same time I am giving them the "Please waddle in single file" look.

 

[Ticker]

Tealer, who's a board member of the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance


Ya' know mizz Tealer, if you spent as much time on the treadmill as you do on the board of Fattties are us, you might be able to get re-aquatinted with your toes.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

So the diversity executive of a biotech company in the San Francisco Bay Area

Tealer, who's a board member of the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance,

Only in California.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Ah yes, overweight, the last acceptable thing to be a prejudice a-hole about. I guess they took away your ability to make fun of racism, sexism, homosexuals, poor people, and the handicapped. It's a good thing you guys can enjoy making fun of overweight people or you might just kill yourselves. Enjoy!

 

[thunderworm]

maybe because being fat is a choice where the other examples you give are not. overweight people cost the us health care system 150 billion a year. imagine how many people that could feed that need the food.

 

[whaleroast]

How come I always end up sitting next to angry fat people when I commute? So angry, in fact, they horde the armrest amd complain about the size of the seat they are squeezed in. Maybe congress should pass a bill calling for a division of weight classes on airplanes. Under 180 you sit in rows 1 through 15. Over 180, you sit in rows 15 and higher. Why not, the congress wants to regulate everything else.

 

[b707guy]

Under 180 you sit in rows 1 through 15. Over 180, you sit in rows 15 and higher. Why not, the congress wants to regulate everything else.

"I didn't know it would sit in it's tail like that!"

Can't resist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFhEBrwuSvM

 

[get2flyin]

I was flying with a very heavy set male flight attendant about 4 months ago. When we did the Lav-swap, I was talking to him while raiding the forward galley. The conversation went like this:

Me: So how's it going back here, everything good?
Him: Eh, all right.
Me: You seem like something is bothering you. What's up?
Him: I just found out yesterday that I caught diabetes.
Me: Uhhhh...well I'm sorry to hear that (while looking away and trying to stifle laghter)

What I was THINKING: Really, big guy? You caught diabetes? Like somebody who had it sneezed and then didn't wash their hands? REALLY? You think it had nothing to do with eating as much as you do or your lack of exercise?


I'm 6'6. More often then not I get stuck in the middle seat in the back of the airplane when I'm non-reving and I don't bitch about it. It's just a fact of life that airplane seats don't offer a lot of legroom and it's way better than sitting in a car for hours. Because you know what else are small? Pretty much all of my friends cars and about every car I can afford to rent. Again, it's doesn't bother me because it's not like I was 5'5" when I went to bed and when I got up this morning the world seems so tiny. I don't really even notice unless they guy in front of me gets a running start to recline his seat. The only thing that sorta does irritate me is in the unlikely event I DO get an exit row seat, some little 5'5" dude sits down next to me and tells me how much he needs the exit row because he feels cramped in normal seat. Then I tell him "Wow, really? You think you really NEED the room? Is it because you pushing 5 and a half feet tall and these seats aren't meant for big guys like you?" They either get embarrassed or indignant. Either way, I don't care. It's not like they're going to change.

 

[EWR_FO]

Then I tell him "Wow, really? You think you really NEED the room? Is it because you pushing 5 and a half feet tall and these seats aren't meant for big guys like you?"

LMAO, these are the same guys who have the seat in their car all the way forward.

 

[Booker]

LMAO, these are the same guys who have the seat in their car all the way forward.

Hey, I happen to be 5' 5" and you two are offending me with your discriminatory remarks. I'm calling that wannabe newspaper to complain.