ASA Insurance Plan debacle!!!

[JoeMerchant]

Sounds like the public option, maybe a better option.

I wouldn't trade my HSA for the public option for anything....

 

[pianoman]

I have had a sister with leukemia, and a grandmother with cancer. The bills are astronomical, and the HSA, while a great supplement, won't cover a fraction of the cost. You'll be living in a van down by the river eating out of a dumpster.

Newsflash: yes, it's great to take care of yourself. But things still happen. And anyone with a family knows that kids get sick, break things, and have mishaps.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I have had a sister with leukemia, and a grandmother with cancer. The bills are astronomical, and the HSA, while a great supplement, won't cover a fraction of the cost. You'll be living in a van down by the river eating out of a dumpster.

Newsflash: yes, it's great to take care of yourself. But things still happen. And anyone with a family knows that kids get sick, break things, and have mishaps.

The PPO would cost you about $2500 more a year in your example...Once you hit $6000, the HSA insurance plan picks up 100%...Read the plan before making bad assumptions....

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Prescriptions covered? NOPE. I'm pretty sure most of us have no clue how expensive meds are. Could be hundreds of dollars per month depending on the affliction. If they extended the prescription coverage to the CDHP, I might consider it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Prescriptions covered? NOPE. I'm pretty sure most of us have no clue how expensive meds are. Could be hundreds of dollars per month depending on the affliction. If they extended the prescription coverage to the CDHP, I might consider it.

WRONG! You pay 100% up to the deductible, then you pay 20%...That amount also goes to the max. annual out of pocket which again is LOWER than the PPO.

Just like PBS, bad information is being spread without studying it....

 

[ASAFOE120]

So if I read this correct, we will pay $2400 out of pocket for prescriptions, DR visits, etc before any ins kicks in. Then, ins will pay 80% and we pay 20% till reaching $6000 (that includes the $2400) which is max out of pocket. Then ins pays 100% thereafter. Is this correct????

If so, then as long as you've got $6000 in your emergency fund, then no worries. I know its more out of pocket then what we are used to, but on the other hand, if your family is relatively healthy and you keep your emergeny fund at $6000, couldnt this save a family money by having less taken out of a paycheck?

Just wondering if I'm reading this right.

Blessed

 

[JoeMerchant]

So if I read this correct, we will pay $2400 out of pocket for prescriptions, DR visits, etc before any ins kicks in. Then, ins will pay 80% and we pay 20% till reaching $6000 (that includes the $2400) which is max out of pocket. Then ins pays 100% thereafter. Is this correct????

If so, then as long as you've got $6000 in your emergency fund, then no worries. I know its more out of pocket then what we are used to, but on the other hand, if your family is relatively healthy and you keep your emergeny fund at $6000, couldnt this save a family money by having less taken out of a paycheck?

Just wondering if I'm reading this right.

Blessed

That's correct. Keep in mind that the PPO costs you $2000 more in premiums. Add in the $1000 that ASA puts in, and you have to get to $3000 in health care costs to make the PPO better. Then if you have a lot of health care costs, the PPO could actually cost you MORE out of pocket.

Meeting the deductible is almost covered by the lower premiums.

 

[OCP]

So Skywest isn't offering any kind of match or money toward your deductible right? Other than $500 for the next 2 years. In talking with my family my mom works in a Hallmark store and they pay her deductible into her HSA every year. So where is that for us?

 

[jonjuan]

So if I read this correct, we will pay $2400 out of pocket for prescriptions, DR visits, etc before any ins kicks in. Then, ins will pay 80% and we pay 20% till reaching $6000 (that includes the $2400) which is max out of pocket. Then ins pays 100% thereafter. Is this correct????

If so, then as long as you've got $6000 in your emergency fund, then no worries. I know its more out of pocket then what we are used to, but on the other hand, if your family is relatively healthy and you keep your emergeny fund at $6000, couldnt this save a family money by having less taken out of a paycheck?

Just wondering if I'm reading this right.

Blessed

That's correct. My wife has had an HSA high deductible plan for 3 years. The company puts in $1,500/year, we put in $3,000/year. We are healthy and use very little of the money (knock on wood), and have the majority of the balance ($15,000) in one of the mutual funds offered. We hope to be relatively healthy and have a $100K balance in 20 years to be used for medical expenses. After you reach 65, you can also transfer the HSA balance to an IRA.
http://www.health--savings--accounts.com/article-19.htm

http://www.medplanaccess.com/hsa/overview.htm

 

[JoeMerchant]

So Skywest isn't offering any kind of match or money toward your deductible right? Other than $500 for the next 2 years. In talking with my family my mom works in a Hallmark store and they pay her deductible into her HSA every year. So where is that for us?

ASA is kicking in $500 for single, or $1000 for family. The deductible is $2400 (family), but keep in mind the PPO premiums will cost you $2000 more. Essentially, you are starting the year off about $3000 in the hole by choosing the PPO for the next two years. After you spend $3000, the PPO is better UNTIL you get to $6000, then the HSA is better again....

Clear as mud?

 

[JoeMerchant]

That's correct. My wife has had an HSA high deductible plan for 3 years. The company puts in $1,500/year, we put in $3,000/year. We are healthy and use very little of the money (knock on wood), and have the majority of the balance ($15,000) in one of the mutual funds offered. We hope to be relatively healthy and have a $100K balance in 20 years to be used for medical expenses. After you reach 65, you can also transfer the HSA balance to an IRA.
http://www.health--savings--accounts.com/article-19.htm

http://www.medplanaccess.com/hsa/overview.htm

Good job. The nice thing now is that you have that money available to buy COBRA or other health insurance if you lose your job....It provides a very nice safety blanket....Much better than relying on Washington DC.....

 

[OCP]

ASA is kicking in $500 for single, or $1000 for family. The deductible is $2400 (family), but keep in mind the PPO premiums will cost you $2000 more. Essentially, you are starting the year off about $3000 in the hole by choosing the PPO for the next two years. After you spend $3000, the PPO is better UNTIL you get to $6000, then the HSA is better again....

Clear as mud?

I read that they will supply the money, but they make it known that its a "one time cash incentive". After 2012 no more from them?

 

[outtahere]

The problem with the CDHP and kids, is that you will hit the 2400 in no time. With three kids, we go to the Dr. alot! I'd rather pay the higher premiums, it will cost me less out of pocket. If it were just me and my wife though, it would be a great deal. Sounds like the company is going to have to keep our PPO anyway due to our contract, but they will still be able to reduce costs by signing up more people to the CDHP. Now if the company was putting the full deductable into our account EVERY year, then that would be a different story. Guess they'll have to decide whats better for them in the long run. Just like PBS, sweeten the deal enough, and anythings possible.

 

[JoeMerchant]

The problem with the CDHP and kids, is that you will hit the 2400 in no time. With three kids, we go to the Dr. alot! I'd rather pay the higher premiums, it will cost me less out of pocket. If it were just me and my wife though, it would be a great deal. Sounds like the company is going to have to keep our PPO anyway due to our contract, but they will still be able to reduce costs by signing up more people to the CDHP. Now if the company was putting the full deductable into our account EVERY year, then that would be a different story. Guess they'll have to decide whats better for them in the long run. Just like PBS, sweeten the deal enough, and anythings possible.

Outtahere...How much do you figure you spend on copays and deductibles with the PPO per year? Knowing that number helps when crunching the numbers.

 

[ASAFOE120]

Thanks for all the info. One more question. Is our dental ins on this same plan? In other words, will the cost of dental visits come out of pocket and count towards the $2400 deductible or is that plan separate?