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Kugelblitz

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I just watched Matt Holliday miss a flyball that my 9 year old son could have caught this evening, costing the Cardinals a win and probably a chance at a pennant. Despite having missed a catch hit to his position, one of maybe 4 or 5 he was called upon to catch tonight he will still get his payday. He is a free agent at the end of the season and will probably get some "win at all costs" east coast team to sign him for a minimum of 17 million a year.

Kind of reminds you of airline CEO's and upper management doesn't it? They can continue to miss catching routine flyballs but they still get their payday. Too bad the rest of us can't get away with such egregious dereliction's of the roles we play.
 
It's insulting to watch some guy get paid the equivilant of the average retiree's life savings every year just to do something he's wanted to do ever since he was a kid.
 
And yet, you continue to watch. Damn that Tom Hanks....
 
I just watched Matt Holliday miss a flyball that my 9 year old son could have caught this evening, costing the Cardinals a win and probably a chance at a pennant. Despite having missed a catch hit to his position, one of maybe 4 or 5 he was called upon to catch tonight he will still get his payday. He is a free agent at the end of the season and will probably get some "win at all costs" east coast team to sign him for a minimum of 17 million a year.

Kind of reminds you of airline CEO's and upper management doesn't it? They can continue to miss catching routine flyballs but they still get their payday. Too bad the rest of us can't get away with such egregious dereliction's of the roles we play.
Are you a pothead, Focker?
 
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Isn't it interesting that a guy that fails 7 out of 10 attempts ends up in the Hall of Fame but if you miss a runway ONCE......
 
It's insulting to watch some guy get paid the equivilant of the average retiree's life savings every year just to do something he's wanted to do ever since he was a kid.

Adjusting airline pay to pre 9-11 rates, this sounds exactly why I wanted to be a pilot. Scary.

(getting paid great money to do something I would consider a hobby)
 
It's insulting to watch some guy get paid the equivilant of the average retiree's life savings every year just to do something he's wanted to do ever since he was a kid.

Why is it insulting? Would it be better if the owners kept the millions and millions of dollars they make from the performance of their players and pay them $40,000 a year? That sounds more like the strategy of airline management that we all complain about.

If someone has the drive and talent to make millions of dollars playing a game and living out his childhood dreams, good for him. Wish it could've been me.
 
Anyone who thinks CEO are worth their salt is exactly what is wrong with the industry. CEO's who make millions while making huge mistakes and not being held accountable is egregious. And pilots who do not understand the problem are morons.
 
Anyone who thinks CEO are worth their salt is exactly what is wrong with the industry. CEO's who make millions while making huge mistakes and not being held accountable is egregious. And pilots who do not understand the problem are morons.


Agreed... the problem is when CEOs and execs are paid for poor performance without consequence. It is one thing to have billions of $$ in the hands of a few who hoard it, rather than investing it in their companies or in the economy in general....

But the real point is it creates a level of entitlement and greed.... indiffernce to the very stakeholders, including employees and customers who want/need the products and services...

Those who defend or who are indifferent to these oligarchs are part of the problem....

http://exiledonline.com/americas-dead-souls-8-reasons-to-hate-our-billionaire-bolsheviks/
 
I just watched Matt Holliday miss a flyball that my 9 year old son could have caught this evening, costing the Cardinals a win and probably a chance at a pennant. Despite having missed a catch hit to his position, one of maybe 4 or 5 he was called upon to catch tonight he will still get his payday. He is a free agent at the end of the season and will probably get some "win at all costs" east coast team to sign him for a minimum of 17 million a year.

Kind of reminds you of airline CEO's and upper management doesn't it? They can continue to miss catching routine flyballs but they still get their payday. Too bad the rest of us can't get away with such egregious dereliction's of the roles we play.

Which is exactly why I never pay to go watch a sporting event. No way am I going to pay 100 dollars just so they can pay these guys millions and millions of dollars.
I guess its a good thing these sports teams pay well otherwise 75% of the NBA players would be in jail or selling crack.
 
Agreed... the problem is when CEOs and execs are paid for poor performance without consequence. It is one thing to have billions of $$ in the hands of a few who hoard it, rather than investing it in their companies or in the economy in general....

But the real point is it creates a level of entitlement and greed.... indiffernce to the very stakeholders, including employees and customers who want/need the products and services...

Those who defend or who are indifferent to these oligarchs are part of the problem....

http://exiledonline.com/americas-dead-souls-8-reasons-to-hate-our-billionaire-bolsheviks/

Can we hold national union officials to those same standards? Cut Praters pay. By the look of it, a diet would do him good.
 
Can we hold national union officials to those same standards? Cut Praters pay. By the look of it, a diet would do him good.


Why?

When the SigInt guys came out a few decades after WWII and showed how effective they were.. the question was "why didn't you shorten the war...?" The reply was ... we did...

So as bad as the last eight years have been, how do you know they weren't worse without union representation and each member voting for his own pay cut? Recall the union officers of the BK era all took paycuts and Prater said he'd take the pay structure the ALPA BOD agreed upon.

Unlike corporate structures our union has a representative structure.... as an employee you have no say in your CEO's pay. As a union member you can, if you have the resources, politic to reduce union officials pay...

Corporations are fascist.
 
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Unlike corporate structures our union has a representative structure.... as an employee you have no say in your CEO's pay. As a union member you can, if you have the resources, politic to reduce union officials pay...

Corporations are fascist.

Just like all ALPA members had a say in ALPA's endorsement of age 65.
 
I guess its a good thing these sports teams pay well otherwise 75% of the NBA players would be in jail or selling crack.

I went to college and hung out with a bunch of these college turned nba players. One of them graduated a prestigious east coast university with me earning a 3.9 gpa in finance. He is now making 10 million dollars per year and is dating a super model. It takes intelligence, as much as some don't show it, to play sports at a professional level. When you see these NBA stars all "thugged out", it is all marketing, and not a reflection of their intelligence nor their propensity to commit crimes or do drugs.
 
Those that contribute the least to society make the most, those that contribute the most to society make the least. ie: athletes, actors...teachers, firemen. Look at the annual parade magazine in the Sunday newspaper. Every year they have a what do people make segment.

N757,
Just like the guy I went to college with that is playing in the NBA. I new his tutor really well. The idiot could hardly spell his name, but he had a B average. He sure as hell could play some good B-Ball though. That is more the norm for pro athletes. While there are some that are smart. There is an exception to every rule.
 
Just like all ALPA members had a say in ALPA's endorsement of age 65.


There was the the survey... a minority participated. Of the minority, a majority wanted Age 60.

ALPA through in the question... "if the law will change regardless, do you want ALPA to be influential".... (I am paraphrasing...). The majority (of the minority said yes...)

In addition, there was the ALPAAD guys. They were effective.


There was plenty of opportunity to ALPA members and US citizens to engage the issue....

Most were apathetic or clueless as too how to be effective... so they make snide remarks on FI.....


No one during flight training really says "I hope I am politically effective in my Air Line Pilot career"
 
Oh really??? care to elaborate????

I don't follow basketball anymore but one example would be Ron Artest, when he jumped into the crowd to fight with fans. Thats the guy right?

EDIT: This took two seconds to find.
http://www.electro-mech.com/team-sp...-who-had-trouble-with-the-law/comment-page-1/

You know a sport is full of thugs when they have to send rookies to school to teach them how to stay out of trouble.
Yeah thats classy, where do I get in line to buy tickets so I can support these morons.
 
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Here's another NBA Thug!!!!!!!!!!

http://amcharities.org/

There are plenty of good role models in professional sports for our kids to look up to. You're doing a disservice to the league if you paint every player as a Ron Artest. Look at what Alonzo Mourning is doing in the community.

I am sure we can get a pretty good list going of what other Professional Pilots have done in the court room. That doesn't make all of us child molesters or rapists or wife beaters....
 
Those that contribute the least to society make the most, those that contribute the most to society make the least. ie: athletes, actors...teachers, firemen. Look at the annual parade magazine in the Sunday newspaper. Every year they have a what do people make segment.

Then those who feel like they contribute "the most" to society, wouldn't mind picking up the collective decrease in tax revenue generated by these athletes if said athletes wages were brought more in line with those "important" people. Right? Or pick up the slack in the millions and millions of dollars donated to charity every year by the "uncontributers"?

Just because they may not provide a necessary service, they contribute to the economy and society in different, but still important ways. To think they don't pull their fair share is emotional nonsense.


I don't follow basketball anymore but one example would be Ron Artest, when he jumped into the crowd to fight with fans. Thats the guy right?

EDIT: This took two seconds to find.
http://www.electro-mech.com/team-sp...-who-had-trouble-with-the-law/comment-page-1/

You know a sport is full of thugs when they have to send rookies to school to teach them how to stay out of trouble.
Yeah thats classy, where do I get in line to buy tickets so I can support these morons.

What about the Delta FO who was arrested for nearly beating his wife to death? That's just one example. You can Google "Airline pilot arrested" to find many more. Does that mean the airlines if full of drunks, wife beaters, child molesters, etc? No, it means in any collective group, you'll have some bad seeds. And they're the ones who make the news.

I don't know about rookie school, but given that many players are young, come from a poor background with nothing and all of a sudden are given millions of dollars and thrust even more into the spotlight, I don't see where giving them some formal advice on how to handle it all is such a bad idea.
 
Then those who feel like they contribute "the most" to society, wouldn't mind picking up the collective decrease in tax revenue generated by these athletes if said athletes wages were brought more in line with those "important" people. Right? If you are dumb enough to think an athlete contributes more to society because of a bank roll you are a complete idiot. Lets pay the teachers what athletes make. Ill gurantee you the money will be put to better use. Or pick up the slack in the millions and millions of dollars donated to charity every year by the "uncontributers"? They give their time in very unrewarding (financially that is) careers. Anyone can throw money around.

Just because they may not provide a necessary service, they contribute to the economy and society in different, but still important ways. What do you think would be done if we reversed the pay rolls. Same amount of money? Just going to people that give a damn about the future of our children. You are not very bright. To think they don't pull their fair share is emotional nonsense. No! Just didnt think your idiotic response through.

Another clueless FI member.
 
Another clueless FI member.

I'm trying to use logic in my post, not emotional fantasies complete with sweeping generalizations and I'M the idiot? You suggest paying teachers millions of dollars a year, but I'm clueless? I'll brush off that idea as a hypothetical situation because nobody with the brainpower to turn on a computer would suggest that in serious conversation.

But I'm curious. Why would the money be put to better use if teachers made millions? Does being a teacher come with having good financial sense too? What do athletes do with their money that is stupid? Do you track their spending habits? What is an acceptable use to you?

Do you have a problem with athletes making millions a year? You do realize their paycheck doesn't come from the government or some sort of magic money tree, right? PEOPLE pay them by watching them use their talents. So when you can fill up an arena or stadium regularly to watch a teacher give a lecture on algebra, and charge people hundreds and thousands of dollars to do it, then you can have your million dollar teachers.

It sounds like you believe sports teams are a drain on society and there is no economic benefit to have them. Did you ever think of local economies that prosper when people flock somewhere to watch a game? Or all the jobs that are created from the existance of professional sports? Or the universities that benefit from the athletes that are gunning for the pros, who, in turn, can award scholarships, loans, grants, etc? Every kid dreams of his shot at the pros and all the way up, organizations benefit off of his hard work and talent. Think of the big picture, not a tiny slice of the pie.

In case you haven't noticed, MONEY makes the world go around. Not time. Anybody can throw time around. Homeless people must be rich in your world, since they have an abundance of time. In the real world, time is something everybody has, but not all have the luxury of "throwing money around". Your rebuttal to my point of noting that millions and millions of charity dollars would be lost if athletes made teacher salaries would be laughable if you didn't really believe that. Sure, what they do is noble but do you think all the kids in the hospital with leukemia would rather have an idea instead of actual money going to research their diseases and work towards curing them? You don't think they see the benefit of a baseball team donating a portion of its ticket sales to the Ronald McDonald house? But you think it's more important that someone knows what an iscosceles triangle is. If you really believe what you posted, the same teachers you are defending have tought you to look at the world through a peephole, not by opening the door. Did they teach you the proper way to disagree with someone is by name calling?

"Hello, VISA? Yes, hi, I'd like to pay this months balance in my time. WHAAAT? You only accept payment in the form of money? But some guy on the internet said time is more important than money!"

The majority of pro-athletes could be a teacher, but no teacher could be a pro-athlete. Why do I feel confident saying that? Because if they COULD be they WOULD be. And why would they be, outside of an obvious dedication to their sport? MONEY! Nobody is going to work hard enough to make it to the pros then voluntarily stop because he cares more about little Johnny getting a good education than a multi-million dollar contract to play a game.

Everyone can play a sport. Only a select few can get rich doing it. No need to be jealous.

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What do you think would be done if we reversed the pay rolls. Same amount of money? Just going to people that give a damn about the future of our children. You are not very bright.

I would say it would be no different than any other segment of the population. Some would spend it foolishly and others would invest it wisely. But don't you think that the lure of financial wealth would attract individuals who are only in it for the money and couldn't care less about a childs future? Would you rather have someone who can accept a small paycheck and feel rewarded by the satisfaction they get by teaching their students properly or someone who just cares about getting a fat check? Please answer this. I'm sure you thought it out the possible consequences of such a scenario. Right?
 
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