SWA TA2 Pay rates

[SWA/FO]

RATES FOR FIRST FULL PAY PERIOD FOLLOWING RATIFICATION​

YR CAPT/FO YR CAPT/FO
1 $159.20 $47.76 7 $170.90 $116.21
2 $161.14 $80.57 8 $172.84 $119.26
3 $163.11 $89.71 9 $174.80 $120.61
4 $165.04 $99.02 10 $176.74 $123.72
5 $166.87 $108.47 11 $178.70 $125.09​

6 $168.95 $113.20 12 $180.64 $126.45

Per TFP = Trips for pay. About :50 minutes of work.

 

[Sy-bill]

And the purpose of this information?

 

[Baze]

Nice pay rates.

I hope the rest of your TA language is what you all wanted.

Good luck...

 

[FlyinHigh737]

SWAFO, why would you post the pay rates on this board. This is no business of anyones except those of us at SWA.

 

[jimcav]

SWAFO, why would you post the pay rates on this board. This is no business of anyones except those of us at SWA.

Inquiring minds want to know dude! several carriers, including my own, are in mediated negotiations. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Btw those rates look pretty f**kin good.

 

[Tanker Clown]

It's not Delta money. Wait until GL post's Song's rates. They blow these away!

 

[shootr]

For a good pay-per-flt hour estimate, mutiply the TFP rate you see by 1.13 (or add 13%). This is a very rough method and still compares apples to oranges. I think it is important because I know many in negotiations or who are trying to start a union that hoped we could hold the bar. There...now it's your turn. (Pretty sad state of all of our careers that we, SWAPA, are the ones to hold the bar.)

BTW, no doubt in my mind this will pass, no matter how I vote. When it does, I can live with it. The QOL, scheduling, and scope/codeshare changes from TA1 are pretty good.

shootr

 

[Scope out RJ's]

It's not Delta money. Wait until GL post's Song's rates. They blow these away!

Speaking of blowing, isn't it time for your next $5 appointment?

 

[Tanker Clown]

Oh Scope....what's wrong? Haven't got your welfare check yet this month? Sometimes I feel bad when I fly Song. I think, look at those poor pilots. Making less than an AF guy. Maybe they should put a tip jar up front for me to help them out a little.

Hopefully, if you guys ever form a union, they can negotiate a better wage for you guys. Perhaps you can use these as leverage. Heck, maybe you could use military pay charts as leverage. But then again, I'm not sure Song would go for such a big raise.

 

[SWA/FO]

SWAFO, why would you post the pay rates on this board. This is no business of anyones except those of us at SWA.

I don't know - an aviation interview board? Maybe someday we will hire again? Maybe someone out there will find it interesting?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Oh Scope....what's wrong? Haven't got your welfare check yet this month?

Nope, I got my air force check last week. I used it to pay my gardener

Sometimes I feel bad when I fly Song.

Do you feel bad when you perform fellacio on an underage boy?

I think, look at those poor pilots. Making less than an AF guy.

You need a brain to think. And who's the airforce guy? Your newest $5 regular at the local airport?

Maybe they should put a tip jar up front for me to help them out a little.

So where do you keep yours, on top of your head?

Hopefully, if you guys ever form a union, they can negotiate a better wage for you guys.

Hopefully if you ever get hired by anyone it will be for other than dumping lavs and serving french fries at the drive through!

Perhaps you can use these as leverage. Heck, maybe you could use military pay charts as leverage. But then again, I'm not sure Song would go for such a big raise.

So when you come up for a pay raise, how does the colonel base it? Is it on your foot massage capabilities or your faxing techniques?
I'll bet it's how well you clean his soiled laundry using nothing but your bare hands!
Now, back to the drive through crj567, you know how busy the window gets after dark.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Lame. Same old crap from Scope. What's wrong Scope...you just mad that a Song capt makes less than a AF LTC? Too bad you can't deal with that one.

I think you were a lot more original when you were 737Pylt.

 

[Whataburger]

...you just mad that a Song capt makes less than a AF LTC?

What's "Song?"

 

[Splert]

Rates are one thing...but rigs are another.

 

[StopNTSing]

Rates are one thing...but rigs are another.

Still .74 per duty hour....unchanged from previous contract.

 

[shootr]

Actually, .74 per duty hour (DHR) rig was also added to company-split pairings. That's the only rig we had added to our package. No other rigs deleted.

Pay enhancements...overfly starts at 5 min vice 12 min (to make up for deletion of min mach), 1 min late home from pairing is now 1.5x versus the old 3 hours, JA on day off is 2x, holiday pay is 1.5x the value of the day including rigs(only applies to 3 days). Others I'm not thinks of?

 

[Tanker Clown]

Song is an elite airline out of ATL that Genital Lee said would be the greatest thing since sliced bread. It came out in about 2002 with the sole purpose of destroying JetBlue and AirTran. I think we can all agree...MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. It's probably the finest thing to come out of Delta since their gay uniforms.

 

[Splert]

Yep...SWAPA's rigs are the best in the industry.

I can only hope that more and more pilots would pay attention to rigs and work rules instead of ONLY pay tables.

 

[RedDogC130]

after reading the latest TA2 and the phone in conference call. I am definetly leaning more toward a yes vote. I was a no vote last time but I think we make some good progress on this one and am ready to move on with it.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Lame. Same old crap from Scope. What's wrong Scope...you just mad that a Song capt makes less than a AF LTC? Too bad you can't deal with that one.

I think you were a lot more original when you were 737Pylt.

Lame. Same old crap from tanker clown. Wha'ts the matter tanker....You just mad that a Wendy's cashier makes more than a drive through server?

Too bad you can't deal with that one.

I think you were a lot more origional when you are posting as crj567.

 

[ASADFW7]

And there is the retro check...

 

[chjack]

RATES FOR FIRST FULL PAY PERIOD FOLLOWING RATIFICATION​

YR CAPT/FO YR CAPT/FO
1 $159.20 $47.76 7 $170.90 $116.21
2 $161.14 $80.57 8 $172.84 $119.26
3 $163.11 $89.71 9 $174.80 $120.61
4 $165.04 $99.02 10 $176.74 $123.72
5 $166.87 $108.47 11 $178.70 $125.09​

6 $168.95 $113.20 12 $180.64 $126.45

Per TFP = Trips for pay. About :50 minutes of work.

these are less than the current rates on apc. what am i missing here?

 

[RDG]

What's "Song?"

It was a lowfare Delta product on 757's with the Same Old Nasty Girls.

 

[Fly-diver]

these are less than the current rates on apc. what am i missing here?

Read the last sentence you quoted again. Trips For Pay (TFP) does not equal hourly rates.

 

[texman]

these are less than the current rates on apc. what am i missing here?

Take 1.13 x the rate this would= per hour. I think?

 

[MILPILOT17]

Take 1.13 x the rate this would= per hour. I think?

That's very close.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Oh Scope....what's wrong? Haven't got your welfare check yet this month? Sometimes I feel bad when I fly Song. I think, look at those poor pilots. Making less than an AF guy. Maybe they should put a tip jar up front for me to help them out a little.

Hopefully, if you guys ever form a union, they can negotiate a better wage for you guys. Perhaps you can use these as leverage. Heck, maybe you could use military pay charts as leverage. But then again, I'm not sure Song would go for such a big raise.

Soooo....can you get me a schedule for Song??? I can't seem to find one. When was the last time you 'felt bad'?

 

[Tanker Clown]

Genital Lee assured us in 2002 that Song was going to be great. Kind of like his thoughts last year that Delta's international plans would be a "can't lose." That's why Delta is so much better than you guys at SWA. When the economy went T.A. they had those cash cow international routes to fall back on.

You SWA guys can't compete with Song out of ATL. They've already destroyed JetBlue and AirTran. If SWA showed up in Atlanta, they would just be another destroyed carrier left in Song's path.

p.s. I "feel bad" every time I see a Delta pilot pick up his food stamps.

 

[humveedriver]

Delta to sell $1.25 billion of notes for general goals
New $500 million added Tuesday, to be secured by lien on Pacific slots.

By Gabrielle Coppola
Bloomberg News
Wednesday, September 23, 2009
Delta Airlines Inc. plans to sell $1.25 billion of notes as soon as today, according to a person familiar with the offering.
The carrier is marketing $750 million of first-lien notes due in September 2015 that may yield 9.875 percent, said the person, who declined to be identified because terms aren’t set.

Delta added $500 million of second-lien notes due in March 2015 that may price to yield about 13 percent, the person said.
Delta said it plans to use the proceeds of the second-lien notes for general corporate purposes.
The notes will be secured by a lien on Delta’s Pacific route authorities, slots and gate leases.
The move comes after Delta last week announced a $500 million private debt offering due 2014 to refinance debt from merger partner Northwest Airlines.
Separately, Delta and other airlines are reportedly in talks about making an investment of several hundred million dollars in Japan Airlines.

TC..I normally enjoy your strafing runs on the airline gods that post on this site. But the whole Song thing is yesterday's news. Here's some new material.

Oh, I'm sorry was this thread about SWA pay rates?

 

[regionalcap]

TC..I normally enjoy your strafing runs on the airline gods that post on this site. But the whole Song thing is yesterday's news. Here's some new material.

Oh, I'm sorry was this thread about SWA pay rates?

I agree these guys always hijack the threads and say the same things. The ignore feature works great.