Republic- Taking us all down

[settogathrust]

Here is a response posted on the Major board. Just wanted to get us all thinking about it over here as well. It is in regards to republic taking over Midwest flying and my thoughts on the regional mindset.

How did RAH pilots help make this happen? Let's start with pay rates. The Captains pay for the 175/190 is embarasing. ($77 after 5 years)WTF? The FO is just F-ing stupid! (top out at $37 at 4 years) All jets? Are you kidding me? That's how they helped make this happen!
Talk about dragging down the industry. They have set the new bar for bringing down our industry. In a big way. Is anybody else seeing this?

This is a mainline aircraft. Regionals have no business flying these untill the pilots realize that just because we work for a "regional" airline, doesn't mean we have to take it in the shorts. If a "regional" airline payed mainline wages to fly these then fine. Not until then. This regional word is being misused. We fly coast to coast and Canada to Mexico.
We need to just change our name and it will change our mindset. We need to take Regional out of our vocabulary. Seriously! Management knows that we have this regional mindset and they are exploiting it. We are being taken advantage of. It is down right criminal the wages we are making for the sacrafices from home and responsibility we hold. For the amount we all have in this career and for the thousands of reasons we can loose our job at any moment, we should be paid more.

Am I right or am I right?

 

[Raoul Duke]

Republic pilots had nothing to do with Midwest situation whatsoever.

 

[Tex-Ex]

Deja Post... There are a million posts like this... and for some reason they all contain the word "loose" instead of "lose." Weird.

It's all been said before. Republic (Chautauqua at the time) negotiated those wages in 2003 when it was nothing more than 50 seat RJ's. 170's weren't even a pipe dream at that time... not to mention Airbuses. The contract was improved in all categories. Some even applauded the contract at that time.

Since 2003, CHQ became part of RAH with the purchase of S5 and the creation of the Republic Cert. The writters of the contract included the clause that said all pilots would be on one seniority list... thus avoiding what was seen at Trans States and GOJet as well as ASA and SkyWest. The contract protected its pilots there. Now let's see what happens with Midwest and Frontier (feel free to speculate about Mokulele as well).

The contract is expired. Higher rates are necessary, of course. We'll see what they negotiate.

Want to talk about wages? What about CAL FO pay.... Or United pay period. Oh right, maybe we'll use the "paying your dues" excuse to justify that. Interesting...

The industry is a pyramid scheme (scam). Thousands on the bottom not making squat and a few at the top raking it in. Everyone is surprised to learn what many pilots earn because they have a neighbor / brother-in-law / friend from church who is a pilot and he's home all the time and makes 200,000+ a year. They don't realize that he is more than likely at the end of his career at a stable successful (currently) airline. He is one of those who are LUCKY enough to make it through a career without having to change jobs or be furloughed for years on end. The rest of us don't make that much and are not home all the time.

That same guy at the top of the pyramid just lobbied to have the retirement age extended to 65 further stagnating the already stagnant the industry. Everyone is now in a hold for five years as we wait for retirement attrition to kick in again... which of course is the only cause for promotion in this slow economy.

But... Let's blame Republic for the all woes of the industry instead... Not United, Jet Blue, Virgin America, CAL... etc... Just Republic... damn those guys.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Deja Post... There are a million posts like this... and for some reason they all contain the word "loose" instead of "lose." Weird.

It's all been said before. Republic (Chautauqua at the time) negotiated those wages in 2003 when it was nothing more than 50 seat RJ's. 170's weren't even a pipe dream at that time... not to mention Airbuses. The contract was improved in all categories. Some even applauded the contract at that time.

Since 2003, CHQ became part of RAH with the purchase of S5 and the creation of the Republic Cert. The writters of the contract included the clause that said all pilots would be on one seniority list... thus avoiding what was seen at Trans States and GOJet as well as ASA and SkyWest. The contract protected its pilots there. Now let's see what happens with Midwest and Frontier (feel free to speculate about Mokulele as well).

The contract is expired. Higher rates are necessary, of course. We'll see what they negotiate.

Want to talk about wages? What about CAL FO pay.... Or United pay period. Oh right, maybe we'll use the "paying your dues" excuse to justify that. Interesting...

The industry is a pyramid scheme (scam). Thousands on the bottom not making squat and a few at the top raking it in. Everyone is surprised to learn what many pilots earn because they have a neighbor / brother-in-law / friend from church who is a pilot and he's home all the time and makes 200,000+ a year. They don't realize that he is more than likely at the end of his career at a stable successful (currently) airline. He is one of those who are LUCKY enough to make it through a career without having to change jobs or be furloughed for years on end. The rest of us don't make that much and are not home all the time.

That same guy at the top of the pyramid just lobbied to have the retirement age extended to 65 further stagnating the already stagnant the industry. Everyone is now in a hold for five years as we wait for retirement attrition to kick in again... which of course is the only cause for promotion in this slow economy.

But... Let's blame Republic for the all woes of the industry instead... Not United, Jet Blue, Virgin America, CAL... etc... Just Republic... damn those guys.

About damn time!

 

[Popeye0537]

Toga, why are you calling Republic a regional? We're not anymore. We can fly ANY aricraft we choose.

What is your great pay rate for flying all those EMB's and CRJ's?

 

[joeyfly55]

Republic Sucks!!!

 

[79%N1]

Toga, why are you calling Republic a regional? We're not anymore. We can fly ANY aricraft we choose.

What is your great pay rate for flying all those EMB's and CRJ's?

Here we go!!!

Republic is a Legacy Carrier now! Put 'em up there with United and Continental!! LOL

 

[jetalc]

Deja Post... There are a million posts like this... and for some reason they all contain the word "loose" instead of "lose." Weird.

...The writters of the contract included the clause that said all pilots would be on one seniority list...

Not that I disagree with you, but at the same time you beat up on the illiterate, you come up with this gem...

 

[settogathrust]

I'm sure we all have our typo moments.
Think about it guys. We just need to come together and pull our heads out. Management loves it when we yell at each other. This is simple stuff. Managment 101. Let us believe we are not worth more and we wont fight for it. (then dangle a new airplane in front of us) In fact we will just fight with each other and not get anywhere. So now instead of agreeing that the wage sucks and working to fix it, we point at each other and say "well how much do you make Mr. big paycheck". Sad. Next thing you know they will start running stickers that say "Guppy Killer" on their bags........oh, nevermind. Already happening. Nice.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Mesa Sucks!

 

[UnstableAviator]

I'm amazed how RAH (CHQ) has gone from a nobody 50 seat operator to the most hated 121 group in the airline pilot internet world in just a few short years.

We need a new CBA. After we negotiate and come to an agreement, then please feel free to berate us with all you've got, because we'll deserve it then. Of course, with pilots negotiating against experienced ex-Ford & Harrison lawyers, I'm hoping, but not counting, on an industry leading contract.

 

[NoJoy]

Wait. I am confused. I thought that Southwest was the most hated 121 carrier?

 

[Kingzrt]

I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, correct me if i am wrong but ERJ = Embraer regional jet still right? Why is it RAH thinks they are a major? Turbo prop drivers are making the same as 170 drivers, thats shameful.

 

[Aerosurfer]

I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, correct me if i am wrong but ERJ = Embraer regional jet still right? Why is it RAH thinks they are a major? Turbo prop drivers are making the same as 170 drivers, thats shameful.

THAT Mentality is the whole reason why regionals are in this position in the first place..... Didn't all the Legacy/Major/Traditional carriers vote these inferior about 15 years ago, therefore opening the doors for the impending tumble.... We are not innocent and far from perfect in our execution, but you are actually blaming our success on your own Faults and Egos......

Us Regional pilots should be pissed at all the Legacy Carriers for letting management erode your own jobs. We dont like the wages now that we are a Major/Independent airline. Most of our F/Os are getting to the top of the payscale that was never supposed to be reached, No one is salivating to fly for less. We are actually having to clean up your mess, while we try to rebuild the industry, not tear it down.

 

[kf4amu]

THAT Mentality is the whole reason why regionals are in this position in the first place.....

Actually the mentaility is from this attitude...

Most of our F/Os are getting to the top of the payscale that was never supposed to be reached,

It IS supposed to be reached. You are not "SUPPOSED" to upgrade to Captain after 3 years. It's that entitlement mentality to a "quick upgrade" that has put the regionals in this positon.

No one is salivating to fly for less. We are actually having to clean up your mess, while we try to rebuild the industry, not tear it down.

Holy ******************** what a crock of crap. Every pilot that went to the bottom feeders were too busy posting pictures of their shiny jet on myspace and telling their family and friends that they are the worlds best pilot because they are flying a jet and will be a captain in 2 years to take a look at the ********************tiness of their airline's pay and contract. I hope the industry stays the way it is, because thats the only way you pukes are going to get what you deserve...which is the right seat at a ********************ty airline for ********************ty pay your whole life.

Thanks for defending the lowering of the bar.

 

[N813CA]

Been an FO for 9 years now. 7 at my current carrier. Trust me never had the shiny jet mentality. Some of us wanted to spend our time and go to the majors. That just isn't available anymore......

 

[Nindiri]

kf4amu gets kind of worked up. :laugh: It was a very entertaining rant, though.

 

[kf4amu]

kf4amu gets kind of worked up. :laugh: It was a very entertaining rant, though.

The asterisks sure make it seem more angry that it looked when I typed it.

Still, its nice to rant every now and then. Good ole internet.

 

[doh]

Actually the mentaility is from this attitude...



It IS supposed to be reached. You are not "SUPPOSED" to upgrade to Captain after 3 years. It's that entitlement mentality to a "quick upgrade" that has put the regionals in this positon.


Holy ******************** what a crock of crap. Every pilot that went to the bottom feeders were too busy posting pictures of their shiny jet on myspace and telling their family and friends that they are the worlds best pilot because they are flying a jet and will be a captain in 2 years to take a look at the ********************tiness of their airline's pay and contract. I hope the industry stays the way it is, because thats the only way you pukes are going to get what you deserve...which is the right seat at a ********************ty airline for ********************ty pay your whole life.

Thanks for defending the lowering of the bar.

You could not possibly be more wrong. If mainline APLA had not allowed the outsourcing of mainline flying, it would not make squadoosch for difference whether the 20 year old had SJS or not. He would have had to pay his dues. The bar was lowered by the 40-60 year old mainliners who didn't keep the flying in house.

 

[N311HK]

Been an FO for 9 years now. 7 at my current carrier. Trust me never had the shiny jet mentality. Some of us wanted to spend our time and go to the majors. That just isn't available anymore......

Very true. We sold out ourselves as much as possible. Why would you take a job to make as much as captain at one place (RAH) and make the same as an FO (B6)? I just want to know why someone would take that job? And the "I need to feed my family" and "Its a stepping stone" arguments don't work. I don't see the logic. Its basic principle. And its not a matter of a couple dollars difference in pay. Just about 30K a year!