Failed Checkride Poll

[Paul R. Smith]

I have not failed a 121 ride yet but I have only been doing this for 10 years.

My dad had a 29 year career with Hughes, Republic and NWA and he busted his 320 ride...coming from 727s and dc-9s. That was his only bust in a long career. If this senator fights to make sure that folks like my dad lose their career I will personally set fire to his ass hair.

 

[Champ42272]

Don't worry, if the government can fire a pilot for a busted checkride, then I'm sure we're far from the day that a doctor will be fired (by the nationalized healthcare system) once one of their patients die. After all, we wouldn't want bad doctors in the national healthcare system.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Champ42272

 

[contrail67]

What a moron...... He obviously has no clue about any of this stuff.

I've failed one ride in 23 years of commercial flying. I was pissed off, until roughly 60% of my fellow pilots were failing as well due to a certain, zero tolerance DE with a small crank (confirmed second hand from a FA who had been there).

It was my ATR type ride (my 4th type at the time). The ride was one of the best rides I've ever taken. I busted for going 60' below MDA on base to final turn, during a single engine circle to land NDB in the ATR sim. I was arguably in position to land, and the guy still busted me for the entire ride. This was nearly 20 years ago, and I still hate that bastard for the black mark on my career. I did the retest and passed with the CP, our POI and an ALPA guy in the sim at MY request. The DE was more nervous than I was.

The Feds were gonna yank our training dept out from under us because we obviously weren't being trained to proficiency. The DE in question was also the director of training for our company. He killed whatever chance he had for a career in the industry during his reign of terror at a small commuter, and currently resides in the "where are they now" file.......

We must not give morons like this complete control over our careers.

Did you ever make it to a major airline?.....and if not do you think this stopped you? I doubt it did if you are on somewhere.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

SEN. LAUTENBERG: Well, would NASA say if you want to go up in a shuttle that they give you a bunch of times to pass the test?

MR. BABBITT: Well—

What Babbit should have said was...

"Last time I checked, the space shuttle doesn't fly to and from the moon 5 times a day 10-20 times per month every month!!!! That is not a valid analogy Senator, perhaps you are not the best person to decide acceptable training standards since you cannot make a logical argument."

 

[Colonel Savage]

Don't criminals get "three strikes" before they're "out"? What's with this terror campaign against pilots? Hasn't the fallout from outsourcing, 9-11, and eight years of TSA and the Bush Admin been damaging enough?

 

[wmuflyguy]

What Babbit should have said was...

"Last time I checked, the space shuttle doesn't fly to and from the moon 5 times a day 10-20 times per month every month!!!! That is not a valid analogy Senator, perhaps you are not the best person to decide acceptable training standards since you cannot make a logical argument."

No kidding, I recall reading somewhere that the estimated disaster potential during space shuttle development was 1 for every 85 missions. (with that kind of potential we would have something like 1000 disasters a day)

We aren't going to the moon...we are flying to Miami.

 

[nimtz]

Lautenberg is saying this! That guy is a farking fossil. He's in the starting line up of prime evidence that term limits are the right policy...

 

[brokeflyer]

2, maybe 3 CONSECUTIVE busts may be something to look at.

ANYONE can bust a flight check, it dont take much effort to do.

These idiot polititions have mucha grande balls to think they know anything about our jobs on the road.

I think the colgan pilot was very inexpereinced and that was a big part of the crash. BUT, he should've been singled out long ago and given more training.

 

[brokeflyer]

What Babbit should have said was...

"Last time I checked, the space shuttle doesn't fly to and from the moon 5 times a day 10-20 times per month every month!!!! That is not a valid analogy Senator, perhaps you are not the best person to decide acceptable training standards since you cannot make a logical argument."

I'd like to nominate you for anything that has to do with government oversight.

good post.

 

[imacdog]

SEN. LAUTENBERG: --who took that airplane down past my apartment building, by the way, on the way to the river. I wasn't home then, but, you know, how do we know that the react time, that the training is sufficient as the captain did on the United flight that saved over 150 lives.

MR. BABBITT: Senator, by my calculations you have just made one mistake by incorrectly identifying the airline involved in the Hudson River accident. Because of your mistake, I respectfully request you abide by your own wishes onto others and discontinue your service as a senator immediately. Good day.

 

[AKAAB]

MR. BABBITT: Senator, by my calculations you have just made one mistake by incorrectly identifying the airline involved in the Hudson River accident. Because of your mistake, I respectfully request you abide by your own wishes onto others and discontinue your service as a senator immediately. Good day.

Brilliant! Simply brilliant!

 

[Colonel Savage]

Wouldn't it be ironic if Sully had busted a checkride at some point during his career?

What say ye then, Mr Senator?

 

[michael707767]

If the goverment changes the rules so that one bust means you lose your job, then airlines will change what it means to "bust" a line or sim check. I can see them coming up with a process whereby you only bust if you deserve to lose your job, but anything else is considered a pass, but you need additional training.

 

[rajflyboy]

Often, the failure says more about the training than about the candidate.

Case in point- we had a few years at AAI where the failure rate for initial Upgrade was over 50%.

In 20+ years, I have never failed a checkride, but that doesn't mean I won't fail the next one, especially given the fact that in 5 years I have had zero training. Nothing but PC's.

Thats exactly how I feel ! Good post!

 

[Captain X]

How bout the same standard for our worthless politicians!

+ F'in 1!!!