More Hostages at AAI

[ron burgundy]

Interesting...I've always wondered if the company tracked "ontime" from a personal, capt by capt standpoint...

RV

They do now!

 

[eaglesview]

He didn't say anything about 1 pack. He said a bleed was MELd. Can you run the other pac off the APU? Not like it matters but whats the difference between 90 degrees in Atlanta or Orlando and 90 degrees in CUN? If the AC can keep the cabin cool there is no problem.

If other crews were complaining about not being able to keep the AC cool then I could see the arguement. But if they were flying around Florida and ATL when it was hot and able to keep everyone comfortable, you would be able to keep people comfortable in CUN. Its one thing to leave DEN in the winter and land in CUN. Its another to leave ATL in the summer and land in CUN. It could easily be cooler in CUN then ATL.

I don't know what airplane you are talking about. The airbus, pending on which bleed in inop, would only have one pack available.. You do bring up a good point though, I wouldn't fly it in Atlanta either.

 

[Ty Webb]

Whats the problem? I have a feeling there is more to it then that. But flying to CUN at 25,000 ft with good weather and no icing with a bleed MEL'd seems perfectly reasonable to me? Unless theres a safety of flight issue, why would you turn that down? Turbo prop guys do that stuff all the time!

I wouldn't take that airplane, either, at least not without some pretty substantial information-gathering.

1) Are you legal to launch ETOPS with that bleed wired shut?

2) What if you lose your other bleed source? If you had to descend to 17,000 feet (APU limitation) would you still have safe/legal fuel reserves?

3) What was your alternate, and what is the MEA to get there? Will you have enough fuel to do it at 17,000 (or 16,000)? What if the APU isn't maintaining the cabin altitude, and you have to descend further? There are serious issues to consider, and it would probably be quicker to get me another aircraft than it would be to gather all of the information I would need to make an informed decision as PIC.

The problem, GT1900, is that you don't really know ALL of the circumstances of why another pilot who refused the equipment. You THINK you know, but all you REALLY know is Management's side of things.

Have you bothered to contact any of these pilots, and asked for their side of the story? Of course you haven't, or you wouldn't have come on here parroting management's positions on these matters.

Have a little respect for your fellow pilots, and if you can't be bothered to seek out both sides of what happened, then kindly refrain from posting misinformation and half-truths.

 

[gt1900]

Stifler...... Exactly!!!!!

C-150E....... Not sure now since Ive never been to Mexico city. But I think there are some pretty big MTS around that could bring driftdown, MEA's and other things into consideration since your only at FL 250. Isnt Mexico city pretty high as well. Again, I'm sure there is more to it then what youve told me. !

Ty... Reading isn't really your strong point is it. I already said there was probably more to it then was stated. The assumption in the first place was that it was an AAI flight to CUN. It then came out as a flight to Mexico City. What I said was if it was legal to make the flight to CUN, then IMO it wouldn't be an issue.

And to be honest. I have no idea what managments side of it was. Dont care either. What I DID say is that I have seen stuff that could get guys fired! Stupid stuff! Ive heard the rumors on what has happened to a couple of the guys from some of our pilots. And if they are true, then the guys did some pretty stupid chit that can easily be tracked by the company. I heard second hand that one of the guys supposidly said he was trying to screw the company because hes pissed. Ive also talked with one or two of our union guys and its funny how some of the stories about some of these situations on FI differ from what the Union guys have told me. I support our pilot group 100%! But I'm not dumb enough to think we are all squeeky clean either!

 

[Clyde Frog]

I support our pilot group 100%! But I'm not dumb enough to think we are all squeeky clean either!

gt, it is really disheartening to hear one of our own talk like you do.

After all these years of being taken advantage of, all I have to say is fu(k MANAGEMENT!! They brought this resentment and ill will on themselves and they deserve what they get. Maybe now that their bonuses are being deflated they'll be a little more receptive at the negotiating table. I'm sick and tired of being strung along while watching their bonuses get bigger every year. Fu(k them.

I'll write a few checks to support the newest hostages just like I did DL, RM and the furloughees.

We're all in this together, fu(k playing fair, the gloves are off and I'm throwing haymakers.

 

[Malcolm]

gt, it is really disheartening to hear one of our own talk like you do.

After all these years of being taken advantage of, all I have to say is fu(k MANAGEMENT!! They brought this resentment and ill will on themselves and they deserve what they get. Maybe now that their bonuses are being deflated they'll be a little more receptive at the negotiating table. I'm sick and tired of being strung along while watching their bonuses get bigger every year. Fu(k them.

I'll write a checks to support the newest hostages just like I did DL, RM and the furloughees.

We're all in this together, fu(k playing fair, the gloves are off and I'm throwing haymakers.

I have nothing to add.... I just wanted to highlight the above quote in BOLD... because it needs repeating LOUDER to some of the AAI Pilots.

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey GT1900 . . . . have you ever crossed a picket line?

What would be your vote, if we took a strike vote tomorrow?

 

[gt1900]

Ty. Nope, I haven't. But, my vote would be a strike in a heartbeat! I voted down TA and I voted for ALPA.

However, the company hasn't had to string us along the last 2 years since the last TA. We did it to ourselves. The NPA was so busy fighting against themselves that the company could just sit back and laugh. You guys like to blame the company for everything. But our old union was just as much as fault. We should have been released a long time ago. But, unfortunately for us we spent the last 2 years fighting amongst ourselves while the company just sat back and watched. Now here we are 2 years later, finally negotiating again, and we are back at square 1. We are going to go through all the normal B.S. again. If you don't think that our old union takes some of the blame for this delay then I don't know what to tell you. The guys over at Alaska negotiated for 2 years. When the company started stalling the mediator threatened to realease them. Next thing you know, they had a new contract. We can't even get to the point of being released because our union was too busy hiring, firing, and calling the cops on eachother! Now that we have ALPA onboard we at least have some leadership and are making steps toward a contract. IMO I think its gonna take a strike vote and a threat of release to get a decent contract. Everytime Jetblue, Alaska, SWA, and others get a pay raise I just keep getting more expensive. If we don't get at least JB and AL wages, with a big signing bonus, I aint' voting for it. And if it comes to it, Ill buy the beer on the picket line!

 

[eaglesview]

Ty... Reading isn't really your strong point is it. I already said there was probably more to it then was stated. The assumption in the first place was that it was an AAI flight to CUN. It then came out as a flight to Mexico City. What I said was if it was legal to make the flight to CUN, then IMO it wouldn't be an issue.

Legal has nothing to do with safe. Put down the kool aid

 

[Ty Webb]

GT-1900:

Agreed. Glad to know that while we don't agree on a lot of things, we do agree on the most important stuff.

Ty. Nope, I haven't. But, my vote would be a strike in a heartbeat! I voted down TA and I voted for ALPA.

However, the company hasn't had to string us along the last 2 years since the last TA. We did it to ourselves. The NPA was so busy fighting against themselves that the company could just sit back and laugh. You guys like to blame the company for everything. But our old union was just as much as fault. We should have been released a long time ago. But, unfortunately for us we spent the last 2 years fighting amongst ourselves while the company just sat back and watched. Now here we are 2 years later, finally negotiating again, and we are back at square 1. We are going to go through all the normal B.S. again. If you don't think that our old union takes some of the blame for this delay then I don't know what to tell you. The guys over at Alaska negotiated for 2 years. When the company started stalling the mediator threatened to realease them. Next thing you know, they had a new contract. We can't even get to the point of being released because our union was too busy hiring, firing, and calling the cops on eachother! Now that we have ALPA onboard we at least have some leadership and are making steps toward a contract. IMO I think its gonna take a strike vote and a threat of release to get a decent contract. Everytime Jetblue, Alaska, SWA, and others get a pay raise I just keep getting more expensive. If we don't get at least JB and AL wages, with a big signing bonus, I aint' voting for it. And if it comes to it, Ill buy the beer on the picket line!

 

[Lear70]

Nice Avatar, Ty...

 

[Ty Webb]

You want a toe?

Nice Avatar, Ty...

You want a toe? I can get you a toe . . . . Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon... with nail polish.

 

[Colonel Savage]

That is so undude.

 

[PCL_128]

Ty. Nope, I haven't. But, my vote would be a strike in a heartbeat! I voted down TA and I voted for ALPA.

However, the company hasn't had to string us along the last 2 years since the last TA. We did it to ourselves. The NPA was so busy fighting against themselves that the company could just sit back and laugh. You guys like to blame the company for everything. But our old union was just as much as fault. We should have been released a long time ago. But, unfortunately for us we spent the last 2 years fighting amongst ourselves while the company just sat back and watched. Now here we are 2 years later, finally negotiating again, and we are back at square 1. We are going to go through all the normal B.S. again. If you don't think that our old union takes some of the blame for this delay then I don't know what to tell you. The guys over at Alaska negotiated for 2 years. When the company started stalling the mediator threatened to realease them. Next thing you know, they had a new contract. We can't even get to the point of being released because our union was too busy hiring, firing, and calling the cops on eachother! Now that we have ALPA onboard we at least have some leadership and are making steps toward a contract. IMO I think its gonna take a strike vote and a threat of release to get a decent contract. Everytime Jetblue, Alaska, SWA, and others get a pay raise I just keep getting more expensive. If we don't get at least JB and AL wages, with a big signing bonus, I aint' voting for it. And if it comes to it, Ill buy the beer on the picket line!

Wow, we actually agree!

 

[gt1900]

Wow, we actually agree!

Not exactly! I only like good beer. If you like BL or Coors Light I aint buying. However, Blue Moon, Shiner, Alaskan Amber, and Widmer Hef are all on the list. If you have class, Ill buy!