Frontier guys: Could have had a SWA seniority number tonight

[shearedshaft]

Curious to hear from the few Lynx/Frontier guys on the board. You guys came within minutes of getting actual SWA seniority numbers, but your union said, "no thanks".

Was that a good thing, or a bad thing?

 

[Cardinal]

If this is what it looks like, I'm about to cry.

 

[N1atEcon]

To my friends at Frontier, I am sorry. I cannot believe that your leadership is taking you down this road. I hope you voted that this was the direction the membership wanted. It is one thing to try to call someones bluff. From what I am reading FAPA acted like they had a royal flush, too bad it was a pair of two's. Good luck!

 

[Fubijaakr]

Why? Because the stood up for their LEGAL rights? That's what Unions are for.

 

[cale42]

I'm Lynx.. so there is no doubt that we stood to have by far the most to gain, but I'm really unhappy right now. Sadly we don't have a voice at all so there isn't much to do but hope they come to their senses. I honestly think this is the best deal for the F9 pilots as well...

 

[Porch]

There's got to be more to this than what we are hearing. Does anyone know what the status is? Has the extension been granted by the judge... or is this deal off?

 

[B-atch]

Amazing how pilots act when seniority is at stake...
We shall continue to be managements tools for as long as aircraft require pilots!!
The nice thing about this potential merger is finally the West/East debacle will take rear seat.....
Good luck boys/girls, you are about to enter the SPIN ZONE!!!
Let the games begin...

The time has come for a NATIONAL SENIORITY LIST!!!!

 

[cale42]

There's got to be more to this than what we are hearing. Does anyone know what the status is? Has the extension been granted by the judge... or is this deal off?

Bk info is public records. you can read for yourself.

http://chapter11.epiqsystems.com/docket/docketlist.aspx?pk=6b4c2466-fe17-4862-974e-85c808c77495

So far no record of the court receiving a request for extension.. though sometimes things are a little lagged..

 

[SWA2000]

Hopefully the F9 membership made it clear to their reps that they would accept nothing less than relative integration. I think it is interesting that over 200 of their pilots (a little over a third of their pilot force) had apps in at SWA. That means that they had guys over there willing to take a staple. And that's without pay protection! I am not trying to come off as arrogant but I don't believe F9 had the kind of leverage to make demands to SWAPA. Good luck to all the F9'ers. Let's hope the Judge grants an extension so your voices can be heard. If not, thank your reps for protecting their seats (I bet they were all Capts.) and throwing the majority of the F9's under the bus.

 

[radarlove]

Hopefully the F9 membership made it clear to their reps that they would accept nothing less than relative integration.

Rumor has it that this isn't true.

 

[N1VIBS]

Curious to hear from the few Lynx/Frontier guys on the board. You guys came within minutes of getting actual SWA seniority numbers, but your union said, "no thanks".

Was that a good thing, or a bad thing?

Is Lynx included in the SWA seniority number deal? Don't know about the F9 folks(Lot of different opinions) but if true, the Lynx folks will be getting one heck of a deal (IMO).

 

[GuppyWN]

Is Lynx included in the SWA seniority number deal? Don't know about the F9 folks(Lot of different opinions) but if true, the Lynx folks will be getting one heck of a deal (IMO).

Yes Lynx is included...... and even the furloughed F9 dudes.

Gup

 

[SWA2000]

Does FAPA represent Lynx? Does Lynx pilots have an F9 number?

 

[Vegaspilot99]

If the FAPA guys reject the SWAPA proposal and elect to go with RAH, then I can honestly say that I am embrassed to be associated with them and their "brand".

 

[Vegaspilot99]

Lynx right now is non-union and are voting for UTU representation this month.

 

[Minimaniac]

It's ironic that so many people on these boards made claims that RAH would pursue a staple where F9 pilots would be below RAH pilots, and RAH pilots were bashed to no end for this staple that we never requested. Now, SWA actually has said that a staple is the only thing F9 pilots deserve, and you praise SWA pilots for their graciousness?

What the heck is wrong with you people. A staple is never fair, and F9 pilots are right to expect something more. I think SWA's true colors are coming through. There is no respect for their fellow pilots, and an absolutely unchecked sense of entitlement over there. The day SW pilots agree to give up seniority to someone from another company is the day you actually become better men and women than the rest of us.

 

[flint4xx]

The day SW pilots agree to give up seniority to someone from another company is the day you actually become better men and women than the rest of us.

Lay off the crack pipe and accept the real world. It does't matter what company or union or uniform is involved. The stance taken by any side is based on the situation. Like it or not, Gary Kelly and SWAPA hold the reigns.

 

[SWA2000]

It's ironic that so many people on these boards made claims that RAH would pursue a staple where F9 pilots would be below RAH pilots, and RAH pilots were bashed to no end for this staple that we never requested. Now, SWA actually has said that a staple is the only thing F9 pilots deserve, and you praise SWA pilots for their graciousness?

What the heck is wrong with you people. A staple is never fair, and F9 pilots are right to expect something more. I think SWA's true colors are coming through. There is no respect for their fellow pilots, and an absolutely unchecked sense of entitlement over there. The day SW pilots agree to give up seniority to someone from another company is the day you actually become better men and women than the rest of us.

So base protections and more importantly pay protections with most of there pilots getting a substantial raise is not a gain? Let's remember we are talking about an airline operating in bankruptcy. Let's face it SWA wants DEN, they have the bank roll to win in DEN. F9 does not. SWA could take the money they were going to spend on this deal and just reduce the fares untill F9 has to throw in the towel.

It is going to be interesting how this is going to play out. Gary Kelly still has been mum about the whole deal.

 

[Quiet Flight]

Frow www.swapa.org in the members only section. Posted a little while ago. Yes, it's for real.

SWAPA and Lynx in talks
SWAPA pilots,


In light of the very dynamic situations of the last day or two, SWAPA has started to open exploratory talks with the Lynx pilots. Lynx is equally part of the transaction and we feel that it is important to include them in the process. They have reached out to us, and SWAPA feels it important to explore all avenues. The Lynx pilots seem genuinely excited about the opportunity to be a part of the Southwest Family. We look forward to our future discussion.

Your M&A Committee

 

[roughneck]

Lynx guys will have a chance to sign a Swapa card soon.