USAirways Pilots: Read This.

[m80drvr]

Were it up to me, every one using any kind of insult on this forum would get a week off.... but the admin has decided that the only words he will not tolerate are scab and the major cuss words... I'd take it up with him if you want to see that change.

Guess I'll have to pass this on the Marccio.....I wonder how the brain trust Mod's will handle a slander suit?

 

[get2flyin]

I think Marcio has thicker skin that that.

 

[HA25]

Far as I'm concerned, if anyone insults anyone else (ad hominem), report their post and I will delete it and possible if the person is a repeat offender warn them with a citation but the rules here are quite lax in terms of firm moderation on cordiality.. I have tried to ask for them to be tightened up but met with a lot of resistance, and not just from members.

 

[Metrojet]

From the inside.....

LAS VEGAS DOMICILE UPDATE
August 3, 2009

Fellow Pilots,
This update is probably more directed to our East pilots than to our West pilots. I will give you a few examples of seniority using the US Jan/08 list and the NIC. These are not speculations or assumptions, they are only the absolutely factual numbers that can be verified by anyone. I encourage you to run the numbers to look at your personal situation; you may be surprised with the truth. The list that I used to find Jan/08 positions is available at Wings, on our Flight Ops page. I requested that USAPA publish the updated Nicolau list on the Web site; hopefully they will make it available to you.

To get a clear picture of seniority, one must take a look where he/she stands percentage wise on a pre-merger list and compare where he/she stands on a combined list. The most senior group stands in the top 1% and the most junior in the bottom 99%.

Our discrepancy is a result of a pre-merger 99% group with 18 years on the list at US and a 99% group with 6 months at HP. That’s one of the reasons that DOH was erased right from the beginning as a seniority integration method during arbitration.

I also would like to mention that DAL/NWA seniority integration is quite similar to our arbitration. It came to me as no surprise that, even though the DAL/NWA arbitration was widely available to the airline community, USAPA never mentioned it in its communication to our pilots. Coincidence?

NOTE: Can't get the table to display properly

To understand the table above, look at your seniority number on the left. That’s someone’s seniority number at AWA or AAA. Move to the right for your respective airline to verify where you stand today, and compare where you will stand upon implementation of the NIC. Interpolate as necessary to adjust for your number.

As you can see, there are winners and losers on both sides of the list. Very senior AWA pilots lose 8% seniority; very junior AAA pilots lose 6% seniority. For pilots in the middle of both lists, the gain/loss is almost irrelevant. The difference in seniority for the junior AAA pilots is certainly due to the fact that AAA had 1800 pilots on furlough and AWA didn’t have any. The difference in seniority for the AWA senior pilots is due to NIC having more than 500 AAA pilots on the top of the list.

On the one hand, most East pilots that I checked stay within 3 to 5% from their position when the NIC is implemented; on the other hand, if you implement the DOH, a large number of East pilots jump between 20 and 30%!!!!

I heard the “our attrition argument” many times, but if you really want to use statistics, probabilities and history, you will find that US Airways' reduction in size (furlough) was much greater than attrition due to retirement.

In my opinion, USAPA's “founding fathers” never believed that they could get out of the Nic. It is quite clear that Nicolau did not make any procedural errors in his decision. If he did, I am sure that AAA pilots would be successful in pursuing a legal venue to overturn his decision. What they knew is that they could delay its implementation for a good few years. At a time that US Airways was experiencing a number of upgrade opportunities, it appears to be a good plan to secure as many Captain slots as possible before the implementation. The problem is that they could never admit to that, and they never will, for obvious reasons. For many First Officers, “the plan” worked well. Unfortunately we missed a great window of opportunity to negotiate a good contract when the Company was making good money. “The Plan,” for most of us, will cost thousands of dollars; for some it will be very cost effective. But again, this is only my theory.

The fact is that AAA Pilots during this last decade experienced loss after loss. From wages to pension, from work rules to domicile closings. I just would like to ask you, who was responsible for these? The America West pilots?
Let’s take a look again at some facts, available from the USAPA Web site.

Transition Agreement AWA/AAA Merger LOA 96

Signed by William Pollock, Dan Scola, Doug Mowery, Kim Snider, among others.

July 2002 Reinstruction Agreement

Signed by Cris Beebe, Kelly Ison, Philip Carey, Jeff Tokash, Donn Butkovic, among others.
LOA 93 Transformation Plan
Signed by William Pollock, Doug Mowery, Theodore Schott, John Greehall, Don Hollerbach, James Jewell, among others.
LOA 92 PSA Large jets

Signed by the same as LOA 93.
LOA 85 Pilots, Defined Contribution Plan

Signed by William Pollock, Kelly Ison, Donn Butkovik, Philip Carey, Gerry McGuckin, Jeff Tokash, among others.
These are just a few examples of past agreements. All the names that you see above are AAA Pilots, not AWA Pilots or ALPA National. All of these agreements that terminated your pension, reduced our wages and changed your work rules are signed by AAA Pilots. Pilots that in some way or another were put in their positions by AAA Pilots.

I hope that these facts will help you understand the West pilots' positions and actions towards USAPA. As cloudy as it looks, most of us are looking forward to the day that we will be able to work in a friendly and rewarding environment.

Marcio Lucchese
LAS Chairman

T2 -

Simple question for the West - if a merger took place today with United or anyone else - were should the West furloughed pilots (including 3 of the Addington plantiffs) be placed on the combined list:

1. DOH?
2. Slotted? with fences?
3. At the bottom behind all "active pilots"?

And please answer truthfully, and if you think about your answer for a few minutes before typing - you should be able to see why the East will never vote for a CBA which includes Nic.

Respectfully,
Metrojet

 

[Lampshade]

Slotted order per the nic list or by final and binding arbitration.

 

[Carl S.]

Use the court ordered Nic. list and some form of a list from UAL. Neg.,Mediate and finally arbitrate if we can not get a solution. The old AWA pilots that are on the street will fall where the lists are combined and return to flying when the vacancies become available. The East pilots that did not have a job when AAA/AWA merged win again, as those without jobs work and those that brought jobs to the table are on the street.

 

[TWA Dude]

Like Lampshade said: Slotted order per the Nic list or by final and binding arbitration.

... you should be able to see why the East will never vote for a CBA which includes Nic.

Spite is such a wonder motivator.

 

[MK82Man]

As an “out of seniority AWA furlough” who had a job at the time of the merger, I can tell you that it does not sit well at all that I lost my job to a guy who was furloughed at the time of the merger. I’ve said all along, that we, AWA, supported bringing back every East Furlough prior to new hires, but now some of those guys are working and have been for 10 months while me and my West Brothers are on the street. The East is taking advantage of the West and it will in fact come back to haunt them. Nic is the list per the Court’s ruling and when the appeal process is over, the 175 West Furloughees will litigate for damages. The East has opinions and Judge Wake has the law, we’ll see who prevails. I know who has lost – every pilot at US Airways (old or new). The USAPA experiment is a disaster of epic proportions and those who can’t see it are in denial. The East continues to make short term gains on the backs of their fellow West pilots … it is really, really, sad. If the East wanted it to change it would, but they really don’t. They want to take advantage of the 1700 AWA pilots and gain whatever they can at our expense. They have the numbers to turn the tide and end this nightmare … we’ll see.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Behind the active pilots but with a multi-million dollar (each) award from the principals of USAPA.

 

[T2Bus]

T2 -

Simple question for the West - if a merger took place today with United or anyone else - were should the West furloughed pilots (including 3 of the Addington plantiffs) be placed on the combined list:

1. DOH?
2. Slotted? with fences?
3. At the bottom behind all "active pilots"?

And please answer truthfully, and if you think about your answer for a few minutes before typing - you should be able to see why the East will never vote for a CBA which includes Nic.

Respectfully,
Metrojet

Metrojet,

I have a question for you. Do you like the contract that you are working under?

The Nic is the list, by court order.

It's time to make some money for our families and prepare for retirement.

Sincerely,

T2Bus