To Brian Bedford...Republic

[BlackPilot628]

Maybe you should look to your own pilot groups for selling out scope time and time again...

Where do you you think Republic got the hundreds of millions of dollars to buy Midwest and Frontier? Flying "regional" feed for UAL, DAL, CAL, USAIR, and AMR. Oops.

+10000 (Again)

You will never see a Major pilot take credit for screwing it all up. If they would have sucked up their pride and flown the damn jets. We would not be in this situation. Find a coffin with a Mirror in it boys, you killed the industry in the early 90's.

 

[contrail67]

there once was a movie w/ Stallone called the "Cobra." A classic line in that movie took place over the grocery store P.A. where he told the thief..."You're the disease and I'm the cure." Well as of TODAY I'm calling in the Cobra.

Republic Airlines is now becoming a disease...I will not stand idly by and let you continue taking what is not yours. The flying you do is not yours. You don't own those routes the major airlines do. And I will make damn sure on our current upcoming contract we protect and take back our flying from your 145's and 170s. I'd rather strike and end it before I let you steal anymore. You pawned out Midwest and you just pawned out Frontier. To those highly experienced pilots all I can say is I'm sorry. Nothing like being replaced by inexperienced and underpaid workers to which I say strike and bring up your wages.

The line must be drawn here and we will not be assimilated. The eyes are now wide open and your dastardly intentions are now clear.

signed UAL, DAL, CAL, USAIR, AMR MAINLINE Pilots

Dont forget to add: UAL and DAL management on your letter but: They will write something to the effect of: We will not be giving you money for Republic to use so they can go buy bk companies and try to compete against us....and therefore your contract is TERMINATED.

Republic would not even exist without the MAJOR airline:...I highly doubt if UAL or DAL will enjoy seeing the money they pay Republic to be spent on digging themself into HUGE DEBT and purchase Frontier and Midwest.....they are about ready to hit a wall....and it will be felt by all of them.

 

[79%N1]

signed UAL, DAL, CAL, USAIR, AMR MAINLINE Pilots

You were elected to speak for all those pilots?!?!?! WOW!

When was that meeting held?

 

[CitationLover]

Dont forget to add: UAL and DAL management on your letter but: They will write something to the effect of: We will not be giving you money for Republic to use so they can go buy bk companies and try to compete against us....and therefore your contract is TERMINATED.

Republic would not even exist without the MAJOR airline:...I highly doubt if UAL or DAL will enjoy seeing the money they pay Republic to be spent on digging themself into HUGE DEBT and purchase Frontier and Midwest.....they are about ready to hit a wall....and it will be felt by all of them.

Huge debt?!?!? The majority of the Midwest purchase is via RJET equity shares. How is that adding debt?

 

[goodpilotithink]

lol, he is going to lose his arse on those two Airlines.Then Repubic will be no more....

 

[waterski45]

This is a pretty stupid post. You guys are to blame for all of this. We just play the game, we don't make the rules. You want us to replace your jobs for 23 bucks an hour fine by us....

Not surprising to hear this from a GoJet pilot.

 

[Brazilgun]

Folks....Settle down...
The reason the regionals are where they are today is because the mainline guys gave it away for selfish reasons. Management promised them the world if they relaxed scope and they took it.
I would like to say that 80% of the regional guys would fly for a major if given a chance. The problem is that the majors won't hire unless you have gone through a regional, therefore compounding the problem. It's a never ending circle. But it all started when the mainline guys gave it away.
The Southwest guys are very aware of it all. They rejected their TA mainly because of scope clause, even though they were given a pay raise. It's nice to know that some people learned from other's mistakes.

Just my .02

 

[ABITRATOR]

You need to relax young man. Yuppy guppy does have a point. We need to stand for something or else we will continue to fall for anything

 

[Axel]

It is not surprising how the one "group" whored themselves out for short term gains thereby creating the market, then shout "whore" at the group that filled the seats in the market they created.

The more the bitter crop ripens, the louder they shout, yet it is they who sowed the seeds. They seem to forget that. People are funny that way.

 

[777forever]

If Bedford wants to buy 2 companies on the verge of LIQUIDATION he has every right to do so and do whatever he wants with the companies. Its called capitalism. If you don't like it, go out and raise millions of dollars of your own capital, buy Midwest and Frontier, and pay them the big money you "think they deserve" Let me know how that works out for you....

 

[CitationLover]

If Bedford wants to buy 2 companies on the verge of LIQUIDATION he has every right to do so and do whatever he wants with the companies. Its called capitalism. If you don't like it, go out and raise millions of dollars of your own capital, buy Midwest and Frontier, and pay them the big money you "think they deserve" Let me know how that works out for you....

You think the airline business is "capitalism"? Where did they teach you that? Government subsidizing most large carriers, which were built off of government mail contracts.

 

[Tarzan]

You think the airline business is "capitalism"? Where did they teach you that? Government subsidizing most large carriers, which were built off of government mail contracts.

Wow! How quickly we forget or never learned where all this came from. I really wonder where we be had airlines evolved on their own, instead of on government subsidies.

 

[777forever]

You think the airline business is "capitalism"? Where did they teach you that? Government subsidizing most large carriers, which were built off of government mail contracts.

Completely agree with you on how the airlines were built. Now they stand-alone companies that need to learn how to make money in the post-deregulation environment. The gov't needs to stay out and let the strongest and most efficient carriers survive and grow.

 

[CitationLover]

Completely agree with you on how the airlines were built. Now they stand-alone companies that need to learn how to make money in the post-deregulation environment. The gov't needs to stay out and let the strongest and most efficient carriers survive and grow.

Tell that to......

Continental x2
US Airways x3 (incl. the America West bankruptcy in them)
United
Delta
NWA
etc etc

 

[btrthn5n5]

Folks....Settle down...
The reason the regionals are where they are today is because the mainline guys gave it away for selfish reasons. Management promised them the world if they relaxed scope and they took it.
I would like to say that 80% of the regional guys would fly for a major if given a chance. The problem is that the majors won't hire unless you have gone through a regional, therefore compounding the problem. It's a never ending circle. But it all started when the mainline guys gave it away.
The Southwest guys are very aware of it all. They rejected their TA mainly because of scope clause, even though they were given a pay raise. It's nice to know that some people learned from other's mistakes.

Just my .02

Amen...

I would love to fly for a "major" airline. Not have my life ruled by contracted flying and have my entire career up in the air every time an RFP comes out.

The sad reality is that ALPA and the other pilots of the "legacy" airlines killed any pilot's (including thier own) chance of having a worthwhile career. It began 20 years ago and has blossomed into what it is today.

It is incredible to hear the mainline pilots cry about the situation of the industry today and blame it on guys and gals like me. I've only been an airline pilot for 6 years now, I do it because it is where my skills and education can earn me a living. I was not here when the rules of the game where drawn up by the mainline pilot's greed and lack of foresight.

When the first RJ rolled off the line, you were all too good to fly the thing. I blame you for not having them on your payscales and certificates. Imagine if the thousands of "regional" pilots flying these terrible RJs around were on your list and in your union... do you think the low wages would stand up against a representative body that big?

Don't blame those of us who are having to play with the hand YOU dealt us. You need to look in the mirror to find the people responsible for the state of pilot compensation today and the route that new pilots are forced to take to build a career.