Hippocrates all of them.... esp. Obama

[HA25]

Truth be told the American culture isn't a fit for European style socialism, I know this, but I would love to see us mature past the dychotimous black and white thinking of left and right for just a moment and do what works best. Clearly for me the "walmartization" of America isn't one of the strong points of American style free marketeering, though some might disagree and that's fine. The wealthy Chinese factory owners and American CEO's being but two.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Truth be told the American culture isn't a fit for European style socialism, I know this, but I would live to mature past the dychotimous black and white world of left and right for just a moment and so what works best. Clearly for me the "walmartization" of America isn't one of the strong points of American style free marketeering, though some might disagree and that's fine. The wealthy Chinese factory owners and American CEO's being but two.

I get it. Since you don't have a leg to stand on, you feel it is better to bash Americans for being too immature to get it.

Maybe you should say that about the Europeans. They just kicked out the socialists. They made a resounding statement in a near sweep of "right wing" candidates in the EU elections, blowing the socialist leader away by a 70% margin. The definative statement here was "this ain't working."

Look, it doesn't matter how enlightened you think you are. The facts remain; socialism fails every time (just give it time) and free markets have sustained, steady growth (when the government doesn't get involved).

 

[LJ45]

Our productivity has gone up through automation and technologies, not necessarily from harder working Americans.

 

[HA25]

I get it. Since you don't have a leg to stand on, you feel it is better to bash Americans for being too immature to get it.

Ops! You found me out. Uncle.

 

[JFReservist]

I just happen to take a more "Christian" view of what we all need to have, vs what we all "deserve" to have, based on the gifts we were born with.. for me it's a moral argument and it's why I'm a strong supporter of labor unions.

Here is an interesting read on the subject: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/was_jesus_a_socialist_that_is.html

Ohhhhh, so you take the view that what we all need to have (I infer that by the 'Christian' view of need you are meaning a relationship with God through His only begotten Son, The Lord Jesus? Admitting that He - Jesus Christ - the way, the truth, and the life - and that no one comes to the Father except through Him -Jesus Christ - died for our sins, and that only through Him - Jesus Christ - upon taking His free gift of grace is our salvation guaranteed and reconcilliation with the Father assured) vs what we all deserve (of course I again assume that you are still taking the 'Christian' view and mean that we all deserve eternal seperation from the God of the Universe due to our sinful nature and rebellion against the One who created us)... Wow, I never figured you for that type of guy. Now where does the labor union come in again??? Oh yes, we were born to gift them or support their morals. No, wait. Sorry. What did that article say about who do you say Obama is?

And to think that me talking about inalienable rights from the God of Nature was going to peg your cringe-meter.

 

[HA25]

Ohhhhh, so you take the view that what we all need to have (I infer that by the 'Christian' view of need you are meaning a relationship with God through His only begotten Son, The Lord Jesus? Admitting that He - Jesus Christ - the way, the truth, and the life - and that no one comes to the Father except through Him -Jesus Christ - died for our sins, and that only through Him - Jesus Christ - upon taking His free gift of grace is our salvation guaranteed and reconcilliation with the Father assured) vs what we all deserve (of course I again assume that you are still taking the 'Christian' view and mean that we all deserve eternal seperation from the God of the Universe due to our sinful nature and rebellion against the One who created us)... Wow, I never figured you for that type of guy. Now where does the labor union come in again??? Oh yes, we were born to gift them or support their morals. No, wait. Sorry. What did that article say about who do you say Obama is?

And to think that me talking about inalienable rights from the God of Nature was going to peg your cringe-meter.

Now the company of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things which he possessed was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles gave their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought hte proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet; and distribution was made to each as any had need. Thus JOseph who was surnamed by the apostles Barnabas (which means, Son of encouragement), a Levite, a native of Cyprus, sold a field which belonged to him, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet.

But a man named Ananias with his wife Sapphira sold a piece of property, and with his wife's knowledge he kept back some of the proceeds, and brought only a part and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it waws sold, was it not at your disposal? How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God." When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and died.


Acts 4:32-5:5

 

[HA25]

Our productivity has gone up through automation and technologies, not necessarily from harder working Americans.

http://www.epi.org/economic_snapshots/entry/webfeatures_snapshots_20050421/

 

[Nindiri]

Now the company of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things which he possessed was his own, but they had everything in common...

I note that this small socialist group was completely voluntary. Perhap President Obama could follow that model instead of imposing it on us by force?

 

[HA25]

I note that this small socialist group was completely voluntary. Perhap President Obama could follow that model instead of imposing it on us by force?

An imposed form of government is only imposed if you disagree with it.. the fact is, the majority of Americans voted for BO, so unless we can find that there was an error in the count, or his poll numbers drop below 50% (as with GW for most of his later years in office), I'd argue for his policies not to be carried out, would be the minority imposing on the majority.

 

[Nindiri]

Nah, you guys that want socialism can have your own little socialist commune, and leave the the rest of us alone. Just like the good people in your Biblical example.

 

[filejw]

Just to get this a bit closer to it original track. We all can buy a ticket on the shuttle and head down to NYC if we want. The President can't, not this one or the last one. I don't expect him to stop doing what he wants with what little time off he has, be it chop in wood in TX or seeing a play in NY. We haven't stopped living why should he.

 

[JFReservist]

An imposed form of government is only imposed if you disagree with it..

I'm sure that's just what the Tutsis thought... or the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto, perhaps the Christians burned alive for the delight of Nero's court.

I have really enjoyed this up until now. Truly you are scaring me. Our system of government is designed to be based on laws, not by fads or cults of personality. Your ability to post on this board was given to you as a gift by a MINORITY of brave men who gave up everything, be it wealth, status, family or life for the pursuit of liberty from an 'imposed form of government.' This government was designed to be accountable to the framework of the constitution, so that it would be limited in scope and power and remain checked by a willing citizenry. Your desire for the soothing embrace of a statist collective will lead to the velvet-lined chains of tyranny, but you will none the less be shackled.

the fact is, the majority of Americans voted for BO

No, they didn't. I will concede that the majority of Americans who voted elected BO, and he is the duly elected president. The rest of us trust that he stay within the framework of the constitution... which appears to be anathema to him. We do not hold elections in the US for King, messiah, or citzen of the world, or for cool and wow factors. We elected this man to be the POTUS, that he would faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and would to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. There are confines to that office, which can be found namely in article two, section one of said constitution... It is your responsibility to hold him to his oath, and in your best interest to make sure that his power is checked and his agenda not overstep his lawful authority.

so unless we can find that there was an error in the count, or his poll numbers drop below 50% (as with GW for most of his later years in office), I'd argue for his policies not to be carried out, would be the minority imposing on the majority.

Again, we are not a country based on the principles of American Idol, we are a country of laws. You can't just make up stuff as you see fit and call it good, do you do that in the cockpit? I would think not.

Cheers

 

[JFReservist]

I note that this small socialist group was completely voluntary. Perhap President Obama could follow that model instead of imposing it on us by force?

Well said, although I would content that they weren't socialists... but it was VOLUNTARY

As for EPI.org "research for ideas on shared prosperity" - Go share your own prosperity, and quit trying to share mine. Who the he!! do you think you are?

 

[LJ45]

An imposed form of government is only imposed if you disagree with it.. the fact is, the majority of Americans voted for BO, so unless we can find that there was an error in the count, or his poll numbers drop below 50% (as with GW for most of his later years in office), I'd argue for his policies not to be carried out, would be the minority imposing on the majority.

He would not win if the election was held today knowing what he really stands for and only 20% of the country is Liberal. The rest of the votes were from people that were fooled by his smooth talking BS. Now that we see what is going on, things will change. The backlash is happing, wait and see !!!

 

[LJ45]

Just to get this a bit closer to it original track. We all can buy a ticket on the shuttle and head down to NYC if we want. The President can't, not this one or the last one. I don't expect him to stop doing what he wants with what little time off he has, be it chop in wood in TX or seeing a play in NY. We haven't stopped living why should he.

The point is: don't trash corporate aviation then jump on a 747 or GV, why is that point not understood. Don't trash my way of life and I will leave him to travel like the rest of the Presidents.
Do I need to type up the definition of Hypocrisy? Geeeezzzz