Colgan ALPA Reps and ALPA Staff Meet with Congressman

[Sig]

Let's try a different tact.....

First:

It appears that you have an expectation of ALPA.

Second:
I say that expectation is unrealistic....

Third:
Therefore, justify your expectation....

Nail in coffin:
If ALPA could...don't you you think it would be done? If not, why not?

Is there precendent? If so, what airline....

Firstly,

I expect a fiduciary responsibility to the membership of the Association. That isn't unreasonable, but has failed miserably. Age 65 much?

Secondly,

It is unrealistic in that we have a PAC that didn't listen to the majority of its membership. Prove me wrong, here.

I realize that's a drift from sitting idly and playing stranger while organized labor is subsumed, but the ability of the officers up top and their motives are still tarnished in the same manner. And, of course, that leads me to...


Thirdly,

I pay 2% and read the lofty position of the Association and their accomplishments monthly. I don't expect much, other than consistency. It hasn't been there, nor shall it return for a long while- at least as long as it is impossible to figure out who the stuffed shirts represent on either side of the table.

Nail in coffin:

Of course not! How can I expect any dirty work to be accomplished by a manicured set of dues scrabblers?

Captain Prater is about to "dirty his hands" via involvement with a regional airline's negotiations in a few hours. I'll reserve my final assessment when he is done.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Firstly,

I expect a fiduciary responsibility to the membership of the Association. That isn't unreasonable, but has failed miserably. Age 65 much?

So you are really angry about Age65.

But let's say you didn't say that...

HOW do you expect a fiduciary responsiblity... What do you expect the union to do.... spell it out. S-p-e-l-l it out...

Secondly,

It is unrealistic in that we have a PAC that didn't listen to the majority of its membership. Prove me wrong, here.

Are we talking about Age 65 or Midwest? If age 65, why are you talking about it, and what does it have to do with Midwest?

I realize that's a drift from sitting idly and playing stranger while organized labor is subsumed, but the ability of the officers up top and their motives are still tarnished in the same manner. And, of course, that leads me to...

Becasue they aren;t doing what you expect them to do, yet you can't tell us what those expectations are in detail... you know what you want done, you just don't know how it should be done, yet you expect others to know...

Thirdly,

I pay 2% and read the lofty position of the Association and their accomplishments monthly. I don't expect much, other than consistency. It hasn't been there, nor shall it return for a long while- at least as long as it is impossible to figure out who the stuffed shirts represent on either side of the table.

So you pay your dues and you expect service. Is the Union like a store in the Mall?

Nail in coffin:

Of course not! How can I expect any dirty work to be accomplished by a manicured set of dues scrabblers?

Captain Prater is about to "dirty his hands" via involvement with a regional airline's negotiations in a few hours. I'll reserve my final assessment when he is done.

Maybe you know something abouut the situation I don't..... let's hear it...

Still waiting on what you expect ALPA to do...

 

[Sig]

I quoted everything of substance, John. Or, Bill. Or.. whatever.

This would be turning the tables- ready?

You espouse "Fixing ALPA" in your avatar box.

What are you going to do that explicitly fixes the Association?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I quoted everything of substance, John. Or, Bill. Or.. whatever.

This would be turning the tables- ready?

You espouse "Fixing ALPA" in your avatar box.

What are you going to do that explicitly fixes the Association?

Trying to get guys like you to justify their unrealistic expectations in the effort to try and suggest that yo be more realistic....

Basically your pissed at Age 65, so you see this Midwest situation to jab ALPA.

Are you a Midwest pilot?

 

[Sig]

Trying to get guys like you to justify their unrealistic expectations in the effort to try and suggest that yo be more realistic....

Guys like me? Pilots with a legitimate claim? Damned right, sugar. Pilots like me. But I haven't lost my pension. I haven't watched it all run away amidst the f$$$ed up Las Vegas circle jerk meetings, but I'm still infuriated!

It must be a lack of intelligence, scooter. I'll let you ask more questions. In the mean-by-

Basically your pissed at Age 65, so you see this Midwest situation to jab ALPA.

Are you a Midwest pilot?

No, no, no, and no. I'm not pissed exclusively at the failure how our Association answered the age 65 rule, what it represents and how our Association failed to meet the voice of its constituents. Nice try.

No, no, no, and no. I'm not a Midwest pilot. I don't have to be...

I'm an ALPA PILOT!

WHO THE F$$K ARE YOU?

I fly a Dash 8, you jibbering gimp. I do so as a Captain (capital "C").

You have effortlessly proven how much discord you have fomented in your wine swilling BOD meetings.

Welcome to the bed you made, now go to sleep.


You failed to answer my question- one that begged for and is premised on substance- but you didn't. Please, show me how a guy like me, who has no dog in this fight vice being an ALPA member, should be inspired.

I await your further questions, and exasperated responses to (GASP) a guy who can actually stand up.



Company BITCH.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You are an angry Dash 8 captain.... when you are ready to be a lucid ALPA member.... post again....

 

[DoinTime]

No, no, no, and no. I'm not pissed exclusively at the failure how our Association answered the age 65 rule, what it represents and how our Association failed to meet the voice of its constituents. Nice try.

I'd like to know what your opinion of ALPA would be if they had followed the slim majority of members opinions and fought age 65 to the bitter end only to lose (and we would have). The decision to get behind age 65 was one made by majority ratification of the Executive Board anyway. The EB is made up of the MEC chairman of all the ALPA carriers so its not fair to blame this on big bad ALPA National.

The first rule of politics is "know when you've lost".

 

[CopilotDoug]

Perhaps you should talk to your own reps who negotiated your horrendous scope language. Are you aware that the idiot who negotiated the scope language in your current contract is now working for the IBT? He bailed out long before he got furloughed. He's not concerned with the pilots of MEA, he's only concerned with himself and his own career aspirations inside the corrupt IBT organization.

Your own pilots stuck you with the swiss cheese scope language that allowed this to happen. Don't blame ALPA for your local mistakes.

Sorry PCL, you've outdone yourself once again. ALPA stuck the MEA pilots with the Swiss Cheese contract because it was "the best they could get."

It should sound familiar, numbnuts, because it's one of ALPA's favorite responses to pilot groups nationwide.

ALPA = FAIL

 

[PCL_128]

As always, GearYankerDoug, you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

 

[CopilotDoug]

As always, GearYankerDoug, you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

From another "gearyanker"...no less

The MEA contract is a sad demonstration of what ALPA's vast bag of "resources" brings to the table...not much.

 

[rumorhasit]

Ahem... ahem...

HACK COUGH WHEEZE

Lemme take it from here, Rez:

What are you gonna do about it, rumorhasit?

Okay, here goes!!! I am going to click my heals together and say "There's no place like ALPA, there's no place like NTSB!!!" Open my eyes and tell my wife I lover her and sorry I chose the career I did and I'm glad she has a respectable job (with a good salary) at a credit union and I am sorry she has to pay for the dam house etc. also pay that life insurance policy that insures I am worth more dead than alive.

Sorry having a bad aviation day!!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Sig...

http://www.jsonline.com/business/45879832.html

Looks like MW might declare BK.... big losses... should ALPA give them a loan?

 

[Sig]

You are an angry Dash 8 captain.... when you are ready to be a lucid ALPA member.... post again....

So I'm posting again, with cause.

I'm not an angry Dash 8 captain, I'm a disenfranchised member of ALPA. I am not a foil for you on which to play your usual empty tactics.

You claim lucidity. I claim clarity of purpose, against your obfuscating and infuriatingly blameless cause. I charge you to again come up with something of substance, yet I know you are an aloof deflector without accountability or genuine impulse.

I have lost nights of sleep over my current ALPA position. I have come to the same conclusion: It is pointless. It is toothless. It is NOW time for a groundswell beyond my simple job as a volunteer and blast public and private perception into oblivion. You need more information to make it happen.

I bullet mark a simple outline of an agenda, legal and "toothy," in response to your guarded remarks and aspersions whether I could do either.

You are still a simpering twat.


Relegate me to the loserville "angry Dash 8 captain" status, await something in response that is worthy of your analysis, whatever it may be- either way, you've proven over and over how much you have failed to FIX ALPA.

Show me one whit of evidence that elevates you beyond lowecur's BS analysis, and I'll show you a leader.

Until then, you are fully woerthless.

 

[Captainzero1]

Sig: your post consistenly makes no sense, put down the dictionary and just say what you mean. And yes you are angry, after all these years of flying a dash I would be pissed too.

 

[Sig]

Sig: your post consistenly makes no sense, put down the dictionary and just say what you mean. And yes you are angry, after all these years of flying a dash I would be pissed too.

It means when someone throws a flag, quit fu&^^^ing blaming them.

Then, don't claim the person throwing the flag isn't doing their part.

Then, WTF say you when it is back in your hands, and I say you have jack schitt to say for it?

I want an answer.


That's all.

 

[PCL_128]

I've gotta say, I've got a hard time understanding what you're getting at. You're pissed. I get that. About what? You mentioned age 65 and MEA, but that's about all that I've figured out, and neither one really affects you that much. What exactly do you want answers for?

 

[CX880]

As I was looking athe pictures of the alpa mag at my toilet, i saw a lot of old guys with fedex and united and delta written below their pictures. When will alpa give any thought about the regionals? Not one thing about the regionals on there.

 

[spitfire1500]

Can you craft an ALPA press release and an internal game plan?

Thats not his job!!! Thats ALPA nationals job!! Who the hell is he gonna release it to!! This is the crap that pisses me off about you on this board. You never answer sh#t you just return with a smart ass question.

 

[CopilotDoug]

You mentioned age 65 and MEA, but that's about all that I've figured out, and neither one really affects you that much.

I guess it only matters when it happens to your airline. Great reason to be part of a National "Union"

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Thats not his job!!! Thats ALPA nationals job!! Who the hell is he gonna release it to!! This is the crap that pisses me off about you on this board. You never answer sh#t you just return with a smart ass question.

Yeah well that is the point....

Ever had an angry passenger determined to get to the destination and have a delay... suddenly you're being told to do things with an airplane that are not only non pragmatic and illegal, but physically impossible...

My issue with ALPA members like this, is they act like said passengers. They treat ALPA like a shop in the mall. ALPA is not a consumers place of business.... it is self government.

ALPA members hardly take the time to figure out how the politics of the career operate. It is all about political capital, pragmatism, relationship building, alliances, etc....


You guys are going to keep getting sh@t from me until you take it upon yourselves to become informed and understanding of how it all works...



Look man, ALPA has big problems.... but you can't fix the problems if you don't know what is going on..... you think you know, yet consistently show you don't know on this board. There are plenty of guys on this board that know what the problems are...

Nevets
Captain X
FJD2
Doin Time
UALdriver

They are all volunteers.. you can tell that they put their time where their mouth is.... they can all tell you that change takes time or... just maybe that is the way it is.... complaining about things that doesn't even makes sense just shows a level of ignorance... that is not to say there is a lack of intelligence, but it shows you aren't willing to invest in your careers. You bring the consumer mentality to self government.... it does NOT work.