Colgan ALPA Reps and ALPA Staff Meet with Congressman

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The questions would follow a series of STATEMENTS. They are a series of crafted words that don't bounce culpability or imagination back to the audience- they actually state a position.

So yes, they would.

I swear to Christ, Frank* is rolling in his grave.


*Great-grandfather. Union guy. Wait, bona-fide ward steward; not a wine-sipping union dork with a blonde girl to his right.

So ALPA controls or has influence over business operations....

ALPA decides who stays in business.......

Air Line Pilots run airlines...

 

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So ALPA controls or has influence over business operations....

ALPA decides who stays in business.......

Air Line Pilots run airlines...

At least you are clever enough to change the format of deflection.

ALPA certainly can affect change, public opinion, and policy.

ALPA certainly changes the way an airline can choose to operate. Need I cite examples, or should I wait for further questions? (that's called a device parry)

 

[PCL_128]

Funny how ALPA National is silent on the further stealing of Midwest jobs to a non-ALPA carrier. Nope they'd rather brag about AAI.

Perhaps you should talk to your own reps who negotiated your horrendous scope language. Are you aware that the idiot who negotiated the scope language in your current contract is now working for the IBT? He bailed out long before he got furloughed. He's not concerned with the pilots of MEA, he's only concerned with himself and his own career aspirations inside the corrupt IBT organization.

Your own pilots stuck you with the swiss cheese scope language that allowed this to happen. Don't blame ALPA for your local mistakes.

 

[rumorhasit]

Jess laweezie folks....its simple!! More time between block in and block out, say 10 hrs min duty rest instead of 8hrs. Everyone knows 8 hrs block in block out is a joke!!! 20 mins to shut things down(without an issue), 10 mins to walk to meet the van, 10-15 mins waiting for van (if ur lucky) 15 min van ride, 10 min checkin time...30 mins eating (if ur lucky) and 30 mins shwr and try to go to sleep time 30 mins.... easy 2hrs "getting to the bed" !!! 6 hrs of sleep if ur lucky and don't want to eat breakfast!!!! These times are variable but its easy to see 8 hrs of "far legal rest" isn't exactly peaceful 8 hrs beauty sleep crews need!!!! and the FO should not have to be on foodstamps to provide for his family!!! have o made this issue to easy?

 

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Jess laweezie folks....its simple!! More time between block in and block out, say 10 hrs min duty rest instead of 8hrs. Everyone knows 8 hrs block in block out is a joke!!! 20 mins to shut things down(without an issue), 10 mins to walk to meet the van, 10-15 mins waiting for van (if ur lucky) 15 min van ride, 10 min checkin time...30 mins eating (if ur lucky) and 30 mins shwr and try to go to sleep time 30 mins.... easy 2hrs "getting to the bed" !!! 6 hrs of sleep if ur lucky and don't want to eat breakfast!!!! These times are variable but its easy to see 8 hrs of "far legal rest" isn't exactly peaceful 8 hrs beauty sleep crews need!!!! and the FO should not have to be on foodstamps to provide for his family!!! have o made this issue to easy?

Ahem... ahem...

HACK COUGH WHEEZE

Lemme take it from here, Rez:

What are you gonna do about it, rumorhasit?

 

[Thurman Merman]

The questions would follow a series of STATEMENTS. They are a series of crafted words that don't bounce culpability or imagination back to the audience- they actually state a position.

So yes, they would.

I swear to Christ, Frank* is rolling in his grave.


*Great-grandfather. Union guy. Wait, bona-fide ward steward; not a wine-sipping union dork with a blonde girl to his right.

I couldn't agree more, my Grandpappy, retired 1978 from United. A big Union guy, far removed from the self serving, self righteous bastardization of ALPA we see today. He flew in WWII along with many of his collegues and new what "SACRIFICE" was all about, instead of that hollow, empty shelled, pig eyed sack of sh!t with a mustache in charge today. He grew up in the depression learned from the guys who flew the mail routes. What a difference leadership does with a Union, instead of worrying where the corporate retreat was going to be, or the next fishing trip, they were erecting the dam and effecting change instead of plugging holes when it is convenient or politically favorable. The silent generation gave away to the me generation and instead of the Gin and Bourbon crowd we get the Wine and Cheese crowd. To bad there are to few of these guys at ALPA now, ALPA is more political now than it ever was and an empty suit with flash will get you farther than pride, determination, and a backbone.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

At least you are clever enough to change the format of deflection.

ALPA certainly can affect change, public opinion, and policy.

ALPA certainly changes the way an airline can choose to operate. Need I cite examples, or should I wait for further questions? (that's called a device parry)

Not only do you need to cite examples, in addition, you need to explain how those examples would become real.....

Looking forward to your reply....

 

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Not only do you need to cite examples, in addition, you need to explain how those examples would become real.....

Looking forward to your reply....

That's absolutely it.

I've once again lost all faith in anyone up top in ALPA. Instead of question marks, you use ellipsis marks, and the result is still the same... (ain't it cute that I do the same?)

Perhaps you're playing the cool hand- a manager's manager, scrambling like hell to find an answer to a problem that is beyond you, or a kook that can't surf but can at least sport a tan.


Earlier and elsewhere I posited the dream I have of some sort of IQ test being an entry point for an interview.

Chalk up ALPA.

You simply can't... can not... can NOT expect squat if you simply beg for it from the front lines. You show me your thoughts, and I'll show you mine. Your Big Bill Hopson avatar is certainly puking his guts up right now.

Awaiting another question... all flash, no pan...

 

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I couldn't agree more, my Grandpappy, retired 1978 from United.

I'd bet five doll hairs to doughnuts your Grandpappy worshiped his grandson (or daughter), and took zilch from anyone else. Period.

Pop was called "The Whip." It was awesome to watch him work, and even more fun to be his great-grandson. The suits hauled arse when I showed up, and Pop was devious enough to give me the CB to call out certain, uh, unsavory things to management.

Far cry from what we have 30 years hence.


* and you caught the wine reference! Don't get me wrong, I like wine. But Union work is straight whiskey, not a ponce opening the sluice (HAHAHAHAHAHAH) gates with a glass of claret next to a blond.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

That's absolutely it.

I've once again lost all faith in anyone up top in ALPA. Instead of question marks, you use ellipsis marks, and the result is still the same... (ain't it cute that I do the same?)

Perhaps you're playing the cool hand- a manager's manager, scrambling like hell to find an answer to a problem that is beyond you, or a kook that can't surf but can at least sport a tan.


Earlier and elsewhere I posited the dream I have of some sort of IQ test being an entry point for an interview.

Chalk up ALPA.

You simply can't... can not... can NOT expect squat if you simply beg for it from the front lines. You show me your thoughts, and I'll show you mine. Your Big Bill Hopson avatar is certainly puking his guts up right now.

Awaiting another question... all flash, no pan...

Let's try a different tact.....


It appears that you have an expectation of ALPA.

I say that expectation is unrealistic....

Therefore, justify your expectation....

If ALPA could...don't you you think it would be done? If not, why not?

Is there precendent? If so, what airline....

 

[Sig]

Let's try a different tact.....

First:

It appears that you have an expectation of ALPA.

Second:
I say that expectation is unrealistic....

Third:
Therefore, justify your expectation....

Nail in coffin:
If ALPA could...don't you you think it would be done? If not, why not?

Is there precendent? If so, what airline....

Firstly,

I expect a fiduciary responsibility to the membership of the Association. That isn't unreasonable, but has failed miserably. Age 65 much?

Secondly,

It is unrealistic in that we have a PAC that didn't listen to the majority of its membership. Prove me wrong, here.

I realize that's a drift from sitting idly and playing stranger while organized labor is subsumed, but the ability of the officers up top and their motives are still tarnished in the same manner. And, of course, that leads me to...


Thirdly,

I pay 2% and read the lofty position of the Association and their accomplishments monthly. I don't expect much, other than consistency. It hasn't been there, nor shall it return for a long while- at least as long as it is impossible to figure out who the stuffed shirts represent on either side of the table.

Nail in coffin:

Of course not! How can I expect any dirty work to be accomplished by a manicured set of dues scrabblers?

Captain Prater is about to "dirty his hands" via involvement with a regional airline's negotiations in a few hours. I'll reserve my final assessment when he is done.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Firstly,

I expect a fiduciary responsibility to the membership of the Association. That isn't unreasonable, but has failed miserably. Age 65 much?

So you are really angry about Age65.

But let's say you didn't say that...

HOW do you expect a fiduciary responsiblity... What do you expect the union to do.... spell it out. S-p-e-l-l it out...

Secondly,

It is unrealistic in that we have a PAC that didn't listen to the majority of its membership. Prove me wrong, here.

Are we talking about Age 65 or Midwest? If age 65, why are you talking about it, and what does it have to do with Midwest?

I realize that's a drift from sitting idly and playing stranger while organized labor is subsumed, but the ability of the officers up top and their motives are still tarnished in the same manner. And, of course, that leads me to...

Becasue they aren;t doing what you expect them to do, yet you can't tell us what those expectations are in detail... you know what you want done, you just don't know how it should be done, yet you expect others to know...

Thirdly,

I pay 2% and read the lofty position of the Association and their accomplishments monthly. I don't expect much, other than consistency. It hasn't been there, nor shall it return for a long while- at least as long as it is impossible to figure out who the stuffed shirts represent on either side of the table.

So you pay your dues and you expect service. Is the Union like a store in the Mall?

Nail in coffin:

Of course not! How can I expect any dirty work to be accomplished by a manicured set of dues scrabblers?

Captain Prater is about to "dirty his hands" via involvement with a regional airline's negotiations in a few hours. I'll reserve my final assessment when he is done.

Maybe you know something abouut the situation I don't..... let's hear it...

Still waiting on what you expect ALPA to do...

 

[Sig]

I quoted everything of substance, John. Or, Bill. Or.. whatever.

This would be turning the tables- ready?

You espouse "Fixing ALPA" in your avatar box.

What are you going to do that explicitly fixes the Association?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I quoted everything of substance, John. Or, Bill. Or.. whatever.

This would be turning the tables- ready?

You espouse "Fixing ALPA" in your avatar box.

What are you going to do that explicitly fixes the Association?

Trying to get guys like you to justify their unrealistic expectations in the effort to try and suggest that yo be more realistic....

Basically your pissed at Age 65, so you see this Midwest situation to jab ALPA.

Are you a Midwest pilot?

 

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Trying to get guys like you to justify their unrealistic expectations in the effort to try and suggest that yo be more realistic....

Guys like me? Pilots with a legitimate claim? Damned right, sugar. Pilots like me. But I haven't lost my pension. I haven't watched it all run away amidst the f$$$ed up Las Vegas circle jerk meetings, but I'm still infuriated!

It must be a lack of intelligence, scooter. I'll let you ask more questions. In the mean-by-

Basically your pissed at Age 65, so you see this Midwest situation to jab ALPA.

Are you a Midwest pilot?

No, no, no, and no. I'm not pissed exclusively at the failure how our Association answered the age 65 rule, what it represents and how our Association failed to meet the voice of its constituents. Nice try.

No, no, no, and no. I'm not a Midwest pilot. I don't have to be...

I'm an ALPA PILOT!

WHO THE F$$K ARE YOU?

I fly a Dash 8, you jibbering gimp. I do so as a Captain (capital "C").

You have effortlessly proven how much discord you have fomented in your wine swilling BOD meetings.

Welcome to the bed you made, now go to sleep.


You failed to answer my question- one that begged for and is premised on substance- but you didn't. Please, show me how a guy like me, who has no dog in this fight vice being an ALPA member, should be inspired.

I await your further questions, and exasperated responses to (GASP) a guy who can actually stand up.



Company BITCH.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You are an angry Dash 8 captain.... when you are ready to be a lucid ALPA member.... post again....

 

[DoinTime]

No, no, no, and no. I'm not pissed exclusively at the failure how our Association answered the age 65 rule, what it represents and how our Association failed to meet the voice of its constituents. Nice try.

I'd like to know what your opinion of ALPA would be if they had followed the slim majority of members opinions and fought age 65 to the bitter end only to lose (and we would have). The decision to get behind age 65 was one made by majority ratification of the Executive Board anyway. The EB is made up of the MEC chairman of all the ALPA carriers so its not fair to blame this on big bad ALPA National.

The first rule of politics is "know when you've lost".

 

[CopilotDoug]

Perhaps you should talk to your own reps who negotiated your horrendous scope language. Are you aware that the idiot who negotiated the scope language in your current contract is now working for the IBT? He bailed out long before he got furloughed. He's not concerned with the pilots of MEA, he's only concerned with himself and his own career aspirations inside the corrupt IBT organization.

Your own pilots stuck you with the swiss cheese scope language that allowed this to happen. Don't blame ALPA for your local mistakes.

Sorry PCL, you've outdone yourself once again. ALPA stuck the MEA pilots with the Swiss Cheese contract because it was "the best they could get."

It should sound familiar, numbnuts, because it's one of ALPA's favorite responses to pilot groups nationwide.

ALPA = FAIL

 

[PCL_128]

As always, GearYankerDoug, you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

 

[CopilotDoug]

As always, GearYankerDoug, you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

From another "gearyanker"...no less

The MEA contract is a sad demonstration of what ALPA's vast bag of "resources" brings to the table...not much.