Challenger 604?

[Falcon Jet 1]

Can anyone look up the performance for the 604 out of telluride 9000 msl and a 25 celsius day. 8 pax with bags. How far can you fly?

 

[rondo]

Are you a broker?

 

[thatpilotguy]

Telluride is closed for the summer...but I have heard rumors that the Montrose Challenger accident is hitting the court rooms soon. A handful of people that I know have been asked for their "professional" judgement regarding this case.

Montrose is a better alternative to Telluride should you be looking at options...I'm not sure what Telluride's runway improvements include, but that might change performance calculations, you might want to take a look at the airport and see what is all included in their construction this summer.

 

[Rick James]

Looks like a 30,000 ZFW, TO distance 8500' ,MTOW of 40,000, this would equal 1200 miles @.80 with reserves.
I just glanced at some tab data for this, so I could be off. I would'nt even give scenario a thought as a RTO would result in some bent metal.

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

Yes Im a broker and a SWA pilot.

Rick James thanks for the info..but the rwy length is 6870, how much weight can you get out of their on at 25c?

 

[Rick James]

Yes Im a broker and a SWA pilot.

Rick James thanks for the info..but the rwy length is 6870, how much weight can you get out of their on at 25c?

Sorry, I was looking at a the airport elevation and thought it was runway length. I'll go check the tab data again.

 

[siucavflight]

Yes Im a broker and a SWA pilot.

Rick James thanks for the info..but the rwy length is 6870, how much weight can you get out of their on at 25c?

Not to be an as$, but if you are a broker should you not be paying for the information that you are seeking? Just asking.

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

Hey as$, most brokers could care less if a client gets the right information and lies to the buyer. Then its left in your lap because your boss was lied to.
Another thing, you think i can sh--t an FOM on every airplane i deal with.
Lastly why do you give a kr-p if i ask a performance question on here, you tell me one broker that you've dealt with that has total access to every performance question asked, doesnt exist.

Rick James thanks for your response

 

[rice]

FJ1,
Obviously sell him whatever he wants to buy, but I'm thinking a 604 isn't the best choice if TEX is a regular destination. Just saying.........
Then again when do they (buyers) ever listen to the voice of reason when comparing operations to personal tastes/perceived comfort. :smash:

 

[siucavflight]

Hey as$, most brokers could care less if a client gets the right information and lies to the buyer. Then its left in your lap because your boss was lied to.
Another thing, you think i can sh--t an FOM on every airplane i deal with.
Lastly why do you give a kr-p if i ask a performance question on here, you tell me one broker that you've dealt with that has total access to every performance question asked, doesnt exist.

Rick James thanks for your response

You are a little touchy, I thought all SWA guys were supposed to be cheerful!:smash:

 

[semperfido]

i can feel the LUV

couldn't resist.

 

[siucavflight]

i can feel the LUV

couldn't resist.

I tried, I even started my post with "not trying to be an as$" I did not think I was being that out of line.

 

[njcapt]

Hey as$, most brokers could care less if a client gets the right information and lies to the buyer. Then its left in your lap because your boss was lied to.

Wait, you're holding yourself out as a marketing expert in a field you lack the resources to ethically sell? You then create a virtue out of asking for free help from the internet? Stunning.

Using your logic, if I way underbid a home rehab job and have to stick a bunch of overruns to the customer, the subs should be ashamed of themselves because they couldn't do the job for the bogus price I quoted. That is really F'd up.

Another thing, you think i can sh--t an FOM on every airplane i deal with. Lastly why do you give a kr-p if i ask a performance question on here, you tell me one broker that you've dealt with that has total access to every performance question asked, doesnt exist.

Rick James thanks for your response

I hope your customers are happy with the service you provide, because you are never going to make it as a writer. I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say in this paragraph. What I do know is that if you have aircraft performance questions, you SHOULD be able to go to your subs and not rely on the internets for expert advice.

In the future if you ask for BBJ-related performance advice, I would be really skeptical of any information you might receive from this forum user. Have a nice day.

 

[siucavflight]

Thanks njcapt, I thought that I was the only one who felt this was very unusual.

 

[fisherpilot]

Hey as$, most brokers could care less if a client gets the right information and lies to the buyer. Then its left in your lap because your boss was lied to.
Another thing, you think i can sh--t an FOM on every airplane i deal with.
Lastly why do you give a kr-p if i ask a performance question on here, you tell me one broker that you've dealt with that has total access to every performance question asked, doesnt exist.

Rick James thanks for your response

Ouch...I really don't think he was out of line.

 

[LJ45]

sounds like a real tool, remind me not to deal with any brokers that are SWA pilots.

 

[landlover]

i personally wouldn't seek nor believe any information posted on here by an anonymous person that might be a pilot that might have flown the airplane in question. seems pretty amateur to me.

 

[Rick James]

i personally wouldn't seek nor believe any information posted on here by an anonymous person that might be a pilot that might have flown the airplane in question. seems pretty amateur to me.

I guess that I'll refrain from answering any future questions about an aircraft I fly as my honesty is in question. It's really a shame that we can't discuss information as simple as performance.

 

[Quimby]

What's the big deal? He asked a perf. q on a Challenger.........he's not asking for the blueprints for a B2.

Get over yourselves.

 

[ERIC604PILOT]

Assume a BOW of 27500. 8 Pax. at 200lbs = 1600 plus bags at 400 = 29500. Max takeoff weight is 34400 using those conditions so that gives you 4900 lbs of fuel. That equals 50 minutes flying time max with reserves. Good luck.

 

[ultrarunner]

Basically you can fly long enough to get someplace to fuel....barely!

 

[landlover]

I guess that I'll refrain from answering any future questions about an aircraft I fly as my honesty is in question. It's really a shame that we can't discuss information as simple as performance.

all i'm saying is I don't know you (or anyone who posts on here) from a whole in the wall, you might be a 14 year old girl or you might be who you say you are.

 

[Rick James]

all i'm saying is I don't know you (or anyone who posts on here) from a whole in the wall, you might be a 14 year old girl or you might be who you say you are.

True, I guess there are some things in life that we would hope are true and take on faith. Come to think of it, I've never actually seen my doctor's degree, or checked the license of my co-pilots, or seen my wife's birth certificate, or checked the A&P's of the guys working on my plane, or checked a photo ID of a cop, I can go on and on.

 

[siucavflight]

True, I guess there are some things in life that we would hope are true and take on faith. Come to think of it, I've never actually seen my doctor's degree, or checked the license of my co-pilots, or seen my wife's birth certificate, or checked the A&P's of the guys working on my plane, or checked a photo ID of a cop, I can go on and on.

But you work in a 121 environment I am guessing, where someone has checked the certificates of the mechanics, and FO's. At the 91 place I work at, all of our licenses are checked, and anyone who even thinks about preforming MX on the aircraft other then our in house mechanics are checked.
Your doctor will no doubt have his degree somewhere on display in his office. Cops are required to show you ID upon request. Your wife is alive, no need to see that she was born.

 

[thatpilotguy]

Falcon,

I actually don't have a problem with you asking the performance question. I'm guessing that you are most likely not leaving SWA for a corporate gig, but I guess it's possible. Let's say that you are sucessful in providing necessary info to someone looking to buy an aircraft. You end up getting a check, and possibly create a job oportunity for some unemployed pilots looking for work. How many of us (and I mean all pilots) have been approached by someone looking to buy an airplane and wanted some specific information on a model of aircraft that we are don't know much about. The questions are asked here all the time, what makes Falcon any different? Because he/she self disclosed they are a broker? Regardless of title, I think we should help him/her with their questions. Is there a better time to buy and aircraft, probably not. Are there a bunch of guys and gals out there looking for work, we all know the answer to that question.

I hope that you have received the info you need. I also hope that you are sucessful in completing a sale and provide a job opportunity for someone out there looking for work. This all might be my glass half full view of the situation, but I prefer to look at the possible good than all that could be wrong in a given scenerio.

 

[Rick James]

But you work in a 121 environment I am guessing, where someone has checked the certificates of the mechanics, and FO's. At the 91 place I work at, all of our licenses are checked, and anyone who even thinks about preforming MX on the aircraft other then our in house mechanics are checked.
Your doctor will no doubt have his degree somewhere on display in his office. Cops are required to show you ID upon request. Your wife is alive, no need to see that she was born.

I guess that my point wasn't clear. There are quite a few things in life that we take on face value. Sure, I could press the issue wherever I go to force someone to prove who they are, but it's not a realistic expectation. I realize that my wife is alive, and a doctor probably has a degree hanging somewhere.

Also, I no longer work 121 it's all 91 for me now. Additionally, I don't believe that a cop is required to show you anything other than a badge if in uniform.

 

[ditchpilot]

buy something with 3 holes ie 50ex/ez and forget the single engine numbers

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Get a Falcon 900. Anywhere in the US out of TEX.

 

[corpflunkie]

I guess that my point wasn't clear. There are quite a few things in life that we take on face value. Sure, I could press the issue wherever I go to force someone to prove who they are, but it's not a realistic expectation. I realize that my wife is alive, and a doctor probably has a degree hanging somewhere.

Also, I no longer work 121 it's all 91 for me now. Additionally, I don't believe that a cop is required to show you anything other than a badge if in uniform.

Actually, a cop IS required to provide department issued picture ID if requested. (former life)

 

[CDogg]

Get a Falcon 900. Anywhere in the US out of TEX.

What he said.