Alaska returns to Bellingham

[av8instyle]

My dad beat up your dad.

 

[gt1900]

Say whatever you want beech. You guys don't have the money or the will to fight ALK in Bellingham. Argue all you want. But they will match your fare's, and kill you in that market. Allegiant has proven they won't stay around to fight. He11. Alaska has gone head to head with SWA on the west coast and they are doing just fine. People in the PNW WILL pay a reasonable amount more to ride on alaska then other airlines. Simply because they most likely have family, friends, neighbors etc who work for them. I see it all the time. And yes, if they have the choice to get miles on Alaska out of BMI or ride on Allegiant, they are gonna take the miles. Allegiant will be out of BMI with 6-12 months.

 

[chperplt]

And yes, if they have the choice to get miles on Alaska out of BMI or ride on Allegiant, they are gonna take the miles. Allegiant will be out of BMI with 6-12 months.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suite, is it?


Let's go over this one last time.... and we'll do it realllllly slowly this time.

Alaska, through Horizon, has been flying out of BLI this entire time... and we're still running full flights each and every day. All those loyal to Alaska Airlines passengers you speak of could have bypassed Allegiant for those miles, but did not.

So... to recap in case you're confused.

1) Alaska Air has been flying out of BLI this entire time using Horizon Air.
2) PNW customers have been getting miles flying out of BLI this entire time
3) Allegiant has had full flights this entire time
4) This loyalty you speak of seems to be loyalty to Allegiant and not Alaska.

In all seriousness, I think Allegiant has quite a bit of staying power in BLI. Our current market cap is 990+ million compared to Alaska's 795+ million. We have plenty of money and very little debt... I think Alaska is going to be the one whimpering away from this deal...

 

[Singlecoil]

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suite, is it?

Now that made me laugh.

 

[gt1900]

CHP. Alaska hasn't had a non-stop out of BLI. The only thing you guys have is a non stop flight. That is where Alaska is going to kill you now. Alaska has the best balance sheet of any major airline, except maybe SWA. They have lots of cash, and a very loyal following... Say what you want, but Allegiant has never stayed and fought for a route when competition comes in. They won't stay on this one either. Allegiant has made money flying routes that nobody else flys, thats their nitch. Now there will be competition flying direct non-stop to Vegas. Watch what happens to your loads. Especially with Alaskas $59 one way and double milage. You guys are now offering $28 dollar tickets to match them. WTF.. You aren't gonna make money with those. Looks like the Allegiant is already a little worried, otherwise, why would they be droping ticket prices? 12 months max. BTW. I don't give a rats #$% about grammer on a forum. But you obviously do. Good for you.

 

[av8instyle]

Seriously, who cares? Both airlines have one thing in common...they are airlines and they both suck a$$.

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

Alaska has the best balance sheet of any major airline, except maybe SWA. They have lots of cash...

Tell that to the 60 pilots who were kicked to the curb.

Say what you want, but Allegiant has never stayed and fought for a route when competition comes in.

Until now. By the way, it's only happened once, in SWF. One of the two carriers that came in withdrew shortly afterwards.

I don't give a rats #$% about grammer on a forum. But you obviously do. Good for you.

It's not just about the grammar. When someone doesn't take a few seconds to proofread their posts, it doesn't instill much confidence that the CONTENT of the posts will be anything but worthless. In this instance, this is indeed the case.

 

[Chief Pilot]

Tell that to the 60 pilots who were kicked to the curb.

Can you say HOSTAGES during contract negotiations? (Something you wouldn't know much about)

Until now. By the way, it's only happened once, in SWF. One of the two carriers that came in withdrew shortly afterwards.[/qoute]

So, admittedly, ALG doesn't stick around for a fight.

It's not just about the grammar. When someone doesn't take a few seconds to proofread their posts, it doesn't instill much confidence that the CONTENT of the posts will be anything but worthless. In this instance, this is indeed the case.

Seriously? Some of the most intelligent people I know have the worst handwriting and terrible grammar. Maybe because they are more concerned with facts than minutia.

Quite frankly I don't care whether or not Allegiant stays in BLI. But trying to argue that Allegiant is something of a powerhouse in the airline industry is rather humorous. Good luck guys.

 

[QCappy]

According to Forbes Alaska is paying for higher fuel prices:
"
Alaska and Horizon combined have agreements in place to buy half of their fuel supply this year at an average price equal to $76 per gallon of crude oil. The benchmark price for crude was around $51 Wednesday.
Alaska locked in the prices when oil was much more costly"
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/04/08/ap6271015.html

Correction: Alaska Airlines story

Friday April 10, 2009, 12:41 pm EDT

SEATTLE (AP) -- In an April 8 story about Alaska Airlines, The Associated Press erroneously described the carrier's fuel-hedging agreements. The price was set at $76 per barrel of crude, not $76 per gallon.

The story should have explained that the hedging agreements cap the price Alaska will pay for about half its expected 2009 supply at $76 per barrel. The airline did not lock in fuel prices at that level.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Correction-Alaska-Airlines-apf-14901183.html

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

Can you say HOSTAGES during contract negotiations? (Something you wouldn't know much about)

Thankfully.

Seriously? Some of the most intelligent people I know have the worst handwriting and terrible grammar. Maybe because they are more concerned with facts than minutia.

I'm sure that you are a great pilot. So would you feel comfortable having misspellings on your resume and then showing up to the interview without having shaven or with your shirt untucked? You may know that you can do the job, but your interviewer only goes by his/her perception of you.

Quite frankly I don't care whether or not Allegiant stays in BLI. But trying to argue that Allegiant is something of a powerhouse in the airline industry is rather humorous. Good luck guys.

Nobody's saying that. But remember, we didn't go into SEA. YOU'RE coming to BLI. To expect us to pack up our books and go home because the almighty Alaska comes to town is equally humerous.

 

[Green Banana]

Never mind, QCrappy beat me to it.....

 

[chperplt]

But trying to argue that Allegiant is something of a powerhouse in the airline industry is rather humorous. Good luck guys.

Who's arguing that? Maybe you're thinking that because Allegiant has been profitable when no other airline besides Southwest has been, or that our stock price has gone from $18 to near $50 in two years. I don't think that makes us a powerhouse at all.. just successful at the moment.

You guys must be afraid of us if you're on here slamming us every day... Most people wouldn't give much of a thought to such a crappy airline like ours..

 

[yellowfever]

If this is right, you guys have some sad pay!




YEAR MD80CPT MD80FO
10 $ 118 $ 59
9 $ 115 $ 59
8 $ 112 $ 59
7 $ 110 $ 59
6 $ 108 $ 59
5 $ 104 $ 59
4 $ 100 $ 57
3 $ 93 $ 55
2 $ 87 $ 53
1 $ 61 $ 41


Monthly guarantee: 70 hours
Reserve guarantee: 70 hours

All hours flown over 81 compensated at 130% of base pay

Next contractual pay raises: Nov 2008, Nov 2009

Minimum days off/mo: line: 11; reserve: 10
Most junior captain hired: Apr 2007 (MD80/LAS)

Per Diem :
$1.00/hr

401K: ​

yes

401k Matching: ​

up to 3%

A/B Fund: ​

none

Other: ​

 

[chperplt]

If this is right, you guys have some sad pay!




YEAR MD80CPT MD80FO
10 $ 118 $ 59
9 $ 115 $ 59
8 $ 112 $ 59
7 $ 110 $ 59
6 $ 108 $ 59
5 $ 104 $ 59
4 $ 100 $ 57
3 $ 93 $ 55
2 $ 87 $ 53
1 $ 61 $ 41


Monthly guarantee: 70 hours
Reserve guarantee: 70 hours

All hours flown over 81 compensated at 130% of base pay

Next contractual pay raises: Nov 2008, Nov 2009

Minimum days off/mo: line: 11; reserve: 10
Most junior captain hired: Apr 2007 (MD80/LAS)

Per Diem :
$1.00/hr

401K: ​

yes

401k Matching: ​

up to 3%

A/B Fund: ​

none

Other: ​

You can't win the battle on product, so you bring up pilot pay?

How much did Alaska pay their MD80 Captains when the company was 8 years old?

 

[QCappy]

You can't win the battle on product, so you bring up pilot pay?

How much did Alaska pay their MD80 Captains when the company was 8 years old?

Well, let's see......that was 1940 so......I'll have to get back to you on that one.

 

[yellowfever]

You can't win the battle on product, so you bring up pilot pay?

How much did Alaska pay their MD80 Captains when the company was 8 years old?

I think what we make is sad...but you guys are really takin' it from the man!

 

[Paul R. Smith]

If this is right, you guys have some sad pay!




YEAR MD80CPT MD80FO
10 $ 118 $ 59
9 $ 115 $ 59
8 $ 112 $ 59
7 $ 110 $ 59
6 $ 108 $ 59
5 $ 104 $ 59
4 $ 100 $ 57
3 $ 93 $ 55
2 $ 87 $ 53
1 $ 61 $ 41


Monthly guarantee: 70 hours
Reserve guarantee: 70 hours

All hours flown over 81 compensated at 130% of base pay

Next contractual pay raises: Nov 2008, Nov 2009

Minimum days off/mo: line: 11; reserve: 10
Most junior captain hired: Apr 2007 (MD80/LAS)

Per Diem :
$1.00/hr

401K: ​

yes

401k Matching: ​

up to 3%

A/B Fund: ​

none

Other: ​

FAIL!!!

 

[CesnaCaptn]

You can't win the battle on product, so you bring up pilot pay?

I'm sorry. Did you say Alaska doesn't win the battle on product?

Allegiant's product is to get the pax in the door with a cheap ticket price, cram you into a seat with 30" of pitch, and then nickel and dime you for the next few hours.

As far as your incoherent drivel about our pay being the reason we're making money, well I'm not even going to bother since that "theory" has been disproven time after time.

If pilot pay doesn't have much influence on the company making money, why don't you guys join the rest of us at post-bankruptcy-era arbitrated crap wages?

 

[fifinella]

Alaska Challenges Allegiant with Bellingham - Las Vegas Flights

By Brett Snyder | April 9th, 2009 @ 7:42 am


Recently, Allegiant has added some interesting flights from the Pacific Northwest. Most airlines haven’t bothered taking them on, but Alaska seems to be willing to fight them now that they’re building up around their neighborhood. Starting in June, Alaska will go head-to-head with Allegiant on the Bellingham - Las Vegas route with three weekly flights. This will be interesting to watch.
Allegiant really started to pay attention to the Pacific Northwest when it added a base at Bellingham, located in between Seattle and Vancouver. Then earlier this year, they announced they would fly LAX to Medford, a route flown by Alaska’s regional Horizon Air. Just this week, Allegiant announced service between Eugene and Oakland. Alaska is apparently getting nervous.
Beginning June 25, Alaska will fly Bellingham to Vegas in direct competition with Allegiant three times a week. They’ve probably been watching as Allegiant continues to grow its presence on the route. Though Allegiant usually flies routes a couple times a week, this one is currently flown a couple times a day with up to three times daily on peak days. Clearly, there’s a lot of demand.
So Alaska’s timid entry here might not be a bad idea in theory, but it’s going to be an uphill battle. Allegiant is able to keep fares low by charging fees for just about everything. Alaska doesn’t, so it’s going to have trouble getting much revenue here.
Alaska has a good schedule for people going down for the weekend - flying Thursday and Friday, but I’m not sure how the people going down on two days are all going to fit on the one plane coming back on Sunday. Let’s not even talk about the flights going in the other direction those days. Those will be tough to fill.
It’s also important to remember that packaging is how Allegiant makes much of their money. Alaska can offer packages, but it’s not going to be nearly as lucrative for them.
I think this is going to be a tough one for Alaska.


BNET editorial/analysis on Alaska's move into BLI -

 

[Ameriagle]

I found the following post on another message board...thought it was interesting and ironic!

Alaska sells its entire fleet of old beater aircraft for a tiny fraction of the cost of one new plane. Someone buys the old beaters for a song. Then Alaska tries to sell $59 tickets while making payments on 65 million dollar planes flying against their old beaters. Passengers don't care if they are flying a beater or a new plane. No place to figure that out on Expedia.com

53079 2004 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N965AS
53078 1996 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N964AS
53473 2183 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N982AS
53472 2178 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N981AS
53471 2139 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N979AS
53452 2109 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N976AS
53451 2083 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N975AS
53449 2077 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N973AS
53063 1851 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N969AS
53024 1825 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N958AS
53023 1821 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N950AS
53022 1809 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N949AS
53021 1801 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N948AS
53019 1783 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N944AS
53018 1779 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N943AS
53016 1850 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N Allegiant Air Due Planned N968AS
49658 1461 McDonnell Douglas MD-83 N873GA Allegiant Air 22-12-2005 (22-06-2005) Active N946AS

posted by seaav8tor on APC, the fleet info. is taken from planespotters.net.