Fedex Plane Down In Japan

[flyboyike]

p.s. anyone know the initials of the crew. I have two friends over on the 11 there. Haven't been able to get ahold of either today.

I can do better, I'll give you the actual names. Capt Kevin K. Moseley and F/O Anthony S. Pino.

 

[flyboyike]

Right-O buddy! As for RJ boy, I'm not "flipping-out" as you so eloquently stated. Just tired of DBs like you in this industry. There is such a thing called "tact" & "respect"....get some.

Actually, it was McNugget who "eloquently stated" that you were flipping out. Which you were.

 

[EX_CV580FR8Dawg]

Actually, it was McNugget who "eloquently stated" that you were flipping out. Which you were.

I'm done.... no need to keep arguing with an idiot. peace out!

 

[McNugget]

I'm done.... no need to keep arguing with an idiot. peace out!

It's just a message board. Don't get all bent out of shape and blow-up. You're only going to burn-out, that way.

 

[flyboyike]

It's just a message board. Don't get all bent out of shape and blow-up. You're only going to burn-out, that way.

Wise words.

 

[hindsight2020]

Well I'll apply the foot in mouth boldface and state that if you all think there is no correlation between the early -11 crashes with the horizontal tail surface design-induced de facto instability/PIO pitch control problem (windshear or no windshear, that shouldn't matter either if the design was allowed to go forth...), with identical gear collapse, wing catching and separating on the ground and body flip, and the Narita accident in question, you've buried your head in the sand or got drunk on the kool-aid. I only went to rocket science school for 8 years but that M.O. is fooookin obvious. Looks like that LSAS flashdrive software fix ain't cutting it. I'd rather fix the cables and pulleys problem (or the 'my tail is too small/my cg is too aft for my intended use problem' ) anyday than rely on a windows vista patch fix, but I digress.

*Ricky voice*..Lucy, those McBoein' boys got some espleeeinin' to dóó.......

My condolences go out to the affected families, may they in time find comfort in the hope that their loved ones died pursuing their Passion in life....

 

[flyboyike]

Well I'll apply the foot in mouth boldface and state that if you all think there is no correlation between the early -11 crashes with the horizontal tail surface design-induced de facto instability/PIO pitch control problem (windshear or no windshear, that shouldn't matter either if the design was allowed to go forth...), with identical gear collapse, wing catching and separating on the ground and body flip, and the Narita accident in question, you've buried your head in the sand or got drunk on the kool-aid. I only went to rocket science school for 8 years but that M.O. is fooookin obvious.

Thank you. I just hope you don't fly an RJ or you'll be getting multiple lectures on tact and decency.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

In typical FI fashion, I think we have more posts of people bickering back and forth than offering their condolences.

Refocus on what's important.

 

[Fly91]

Well, you see, I fly an RJ, which means I have no brain and certainly no right to voice an opinion or even a fact. Now, had I been a 777 skipper with 26,000TT I could have said whatever I wanted and nobody would have objected.

Right, everyone?

Yea, and people here think the families of these pilots will be checking this thread to get updates.

This forum is for chatting about whatever, but when there's an accident all I care about is figuring out WHY? and what can be done so another aircraft is not lost, especially for the same reason?

Nothing wrong with an RJ....almsot every 777 pilot you speak of with 26K TT started in them.

Either way, that plane has a design flaw that should be addressed. "Relaxed stability" design for a heavy aircraft is just plain stupid. I wonder how many more MD-11's have to flip over and slide down the runway in a fireball, before the scumbag FAA does something.

In reality, the company gets a big insurance check, the FAA does nothing, the NTSB investigates and usually finds exactly what the problem is and recommends the cure, but NOTHING happens. Pilots are dead but there's thousands of them waiting to take their place.

Aviation in the USA as usual, GREAT.

 

[flyboyike]

Nothing wrong with an RJ....almsot every 777 pilot you speak of with 26K TT started in them.

Ohhh, you're in for it now, them's fighting words in some circles.

Either way, that plane has a design flaw that should be addressed. "Relaxed stability" design for a heavy aircraft is just plain stupid. I wonder how many more MD-11's have to flip over and slide down the runway in a fireball, before the scumbag FAA does something.

Sort of what I said, I apparently just said it too early.

 

[Fearless Tower]

Thank you. I just hope you don't fly an RJ or you'll be getting multiple lectures on tact and decency.

Has absolutely nothing to do with what you fly.

It does, however have everything to do with your choice of words. You may as well have titled your post 'Why can't FEDEX pilots land planes?'......That kind of inflammatory wording is guaranteed to tick just a few folks off at a very sensitive time such as this.

 

[flyboyike]

You may as well have titled your post 'Why can't FEDEX pilots land planes?'.......

If I wanted to say that, I would have. That FedEx has suffered a disproportionate number of approach accidents resulting in hull losses is a fact. It's not my opinion, not my speculation, just a cold, hard fact.

Why that is so, I don't know, nor claim to know, but if this doesn't look like some kind of a systemic failure, I don't know what does.

Bulldozing me, because I don't have quite enough hours won't change that.

 

[Linedriver]

What is relaxed stability and is it more of a slow airspeed characteristic as in approach to landings?

Anyone with 11 experience please.

 

[ual321]

flyboyike,

16++ POST ON THIS THREAD ALONE.....

CONGRATS

 

[michael707767]

Nothing wrong with an RJ....almsot every 777 pilot you speak of with 26K TT started in them.

I submit to you that very few current 777 pilots started in an RJ, and close to zero 777 captains. The RJ was not around long enough ago for the vast majority of 777 pilots to have started on it.

 

[Dizel8]

Well, not that I know much......

I have heard the MD-11 is hard to land, due to the smaller stab.

FedEx is the largest operator of MD-11 and hence the odds are they will have the highest numbers of incidences.

I am saddened by the deaths of these two aviators, may the scotch be 30 years old in heaven!

 

[Colonel Savage]

What is relaxed stability and is it more of a slow airspeed characteristic as in approach to landings?..

It's more like a mild form of dynamic instability, where the amplitude and resulting deviation from an airspeed or altitude target will slowly increase without proper control input. Slowed to approach speed in turbulent air it would make maintaining a stablized approach more difficult. The LSAS system on the MD-11 is supposed help dampen this tendency out.

The MD-11 is designed to cruise with a very aft CG to minimize fuel burn, a condition that is controled by metering fuel into the horizontal stab fuel tank at cruise, and removing it during initial decent. Even with the tail tank empty, the aircraft is still more aft CG loaded than most, which may contribute to the handling issues the airplane seems to have.

An aircraft that has dynamic stability experiences decreasing deviations from airspeed/altitude targets without control inputs.

 

[Jim Smyth]

Rest in Peace Gentlemen. My heart goes out to the FedX family.

 

[Wesb737fo]

prayers....

 

[ugasucks]

Funny how everyone can say something but has anyone flown the Md-11 on here, I would like to hear what they have to say. I have heard it was a great plane to fly after the software update and a nice one to land. god bless them both.