What has ALPA done for me lately?

[FDJ2]

United ALPA pilots voted yes on two separate occasions... to be assessed so that they may cover cobra medical cost for furloughed pilots....

As did Delta pilots and other ALPA pilot groups.

 

[Cuban B.]

What have we done for ourselves?

As with most institutional failures, the easiest path is to blame others. However, I suggest we take a good look in the mirror to remind ourselves that these failures of negotiation have come from within. With apathy toward our labor unions, and resentment toward each other, we will continue to be the doormats of management and shareholders.

Questions for our Leadership at ALPA, APA, IBT etc:

Why is there such an enormous discrepancy in pay between pilot groups? Should there not be some minimum standard?

Why has regional growth been allowed as an outsourcing tool? Is a CRJ900 or an E175 a "commuter" aircraft or a Trojan Horse?

Why can't we strike any more?

Why do we all hate eachother? Aren't we all getting screwed by our companies enough to not screw eachother?

Why does each MEC operate on its own? The Balkanized or "every group for itself" model has clearly failed. More centralized coordination by our unions will be the only way forward.

Why do we think we deserve better pay and overall QOL? We must also remember that no one DESERVES anything. In the private sector you deserve what you can NEGOTIATE.

 

[F/O]

Give me a break. You remember $140 oil? Or the fact that there's a huge economic recession that's taking a toll on ticket sales to the tune of 10% of the business?

What in the world does Age 65 have to do with those issues?

And as far as Capt. Prater's "pet project"...you have heard of ICAO haven't you? Listen, everybody's career progression has be delayed. Age 60 is NEVER coming back. Get over it.

Your ignorance is astounding.

You are missing the point, bro. Age 60 retirement was in itself a form of furlough mitigation. Retirements have ground to a halt for 5 years. Therein lies the trouble. You get it now?

 

[enigma]

ALPA lawyers just won an arbitration against Spirit Airlines and forced the company to cease building lines with less than 4 days off in a row. The QOL and bargaining implications of this ruling are huge.

ALPA has it's flaws, but we're all better off because of ALPA and it's presence.

 

[Skippy]

United ALPA pilots voted yes on two separate occasions... to be assessed so that they may cover cobra medical cost for furloughed pilots....

you're confusing a local pilot group as opposed to alpa NATIONAL - if you'd like to compare APPLES TO APPLES: then NO ALPA PILOT SHOULD BE W/O HEALTH INSURANCE IF FURLOUGHED--- AND furthermore- we should be able to have health insurance thru apla itself ( if we so choose) and rid the freaking airlines of holding it over our heads.

SKIPPY

 

[Redmeat]

Give me a break. You remember $140 oil? Or the fact that there's a huge economic recession that's taking a toll on ticket sales to the tune of 10% of the business?

What in the world does Age 65 have to do with those issues?

And as far as Capt. Prater's "pet project"...you have heard of ICAO haven't you? Listen, everybody's career progression has be delayed. Age 60 is NEVER coming back. Get over it.

Your ignorance is astounding.

LOL...

Hey Fubijaakr...

You have heard of The Metric System haven't you?

We AMERICANS have too...and we didn't want that garbage over here. SAME WITH 65!!!

Now go buy a fishin pole old man and get out of my seat!!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

you're confusing a local pilot group as opposed to alpa NATIONAL - if you'd like to compare APPLES TO APPLES: then NO ALPA PILOT SHOULD BE W/O HEALTH INSURANCE IF FURLOUGHED--- AND furthermore- we should be able to have health insurance thru apla itself ( if we so choose) and rid the freaking airlines of holding it over our heads.

SKIPPY

You are assuming that ALPA national functions as a single entity.....

 

[Cuban B.]

You are assuming that ALPA national functions as a single entity.....

Does not ALPA need to though? Aren't all these recent nickel and dime successes missing the point of the major structural failures?

 

[Fubijaakr]

Age 60 retirement was in itself a form of furlough mitigation. Retirements have ground to a halt for 5 years.

However, at the time, there were no furloughs. And the Regionals were hiring with as little as 500/50. You can't look as something that happened in the past without considering the historical context.

At the time of 122 ICAO nations, all but 4 (U.S. and France among them) had agreed that the mandatory retirement age would be 65. We had foreign Captains exercising their certificates in U.S. airspace who were over 60.

So, unless the U.S. was willing to abrogate the ICAO treaty and limit our airlines to purely domestic service, we were forced to amend our laws to dovetail with the ICAO treaty.

You have heard of the Supremecy Clause in the U.S. Constitution, haven't you? Perhaps you should Google it.

Is it your position that American citizens should be denied access to rights granted by treaty to foreign airline pilots? That's unfair on the face of it.

Hey, I sympathize with you. My career has been derailed by 5 years as well. All of ours have.

The point is its water under the bridge. You can shake your fist and curse all you want, but the sun is still going to rise in the East. Perhaps you should devote your energy to something you can actually have an effect on.

 

[Redmeat]

Is it your position that American citizens should be denied access to rights granted by treaty to foreign airline pilots? That's unfair on the face of it.

Brazilian (and many South American) controllers chew Coca leaves (the basic ingredient for Cocaine) while on the job. Is it your position that U.S controllers should be able to chew Coca leaves too?

Moron.

Edit 1: If you like ICAO so much move to Europe!