New Alaska Negotiations Thread

[alaskaplt]

xactly. We're not AA. We made $. After 4yrs of this crap, lack of retro is a no for me.

Damn right it's a No vote for me too.

 

[Going2Baja]

I would love to hear how there is no $$$ for Retro/Signing or whatever you want to call it. Take a look at how much GS walked away with. The money is there - we just need to get it out of their greedy little fingers!

Baja.

 

[Fubijaakr]

No, I have quite a few years to go before 60.

On another topic, considering the contract allows for a "full line" down to 65 hours, this is just more evidence that the furloughs are mere hostage taking.

 

[Going2Baja]

Hat's off and heads down for the additional 28 furloughs today @ Alaska. New total is 60 on the street.

Good luck - Hang in there - Hopefully see you ALL back soon to a better contract!

Baja.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Baja,

You'll see a signing bonus. Just don't hold your breath for full retro pay.

 

[Ocity]

And just remember there are 1875 pilots on furlough at AA alone.

Totally irrelevant. No retro, No significant raise, NO VOTE.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Ocity,

You think the fact that Alaska can replace us all in a matter of two weeks with qualified airline pilots currently on furlough AND has $1.1B in the bank to do it with is irrelevant?

Do you also think the fact that U.S. in currently in the worst economic recession since the '30s is irrelevant?

Nothing happens in a vacuum, my friend. Perhaps an unemotional look at the contract when it comes out coupled with an honest appraisal of the overall economic landscape would serve you (us!) better than screeching "No retro, no big raise, NO VOTE!"

 

[becket]

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[Chief Pilot]

Ocity,

You think the fact that Alaska can replace us all in a matter of two weeks with qualified airline pilots currently on furlough AND has $1.1B in the bank to do it with is irrelevant?

Two weeks? Seriously? Come on Fubijaakr--I've got to call BS on this. It would be 4-6 weeks at best and that's if they had a pool of qualified candidates just waiting in the wings to enter training. Hmmm...training. That brings up another question. Who will train all of these qualified guys? It will take a hell of a lot more than the handful of koolaid drinkers over at the training center.

Sure, the company has $1.1B in the bank and they could probably replace us all if they wanted to, but in doing so they would totally destroy the airline. Do you honestly think investors will stick around for a month while the company burns through all of their cash. Management has a duty to the investors to give them a return on their investment. I think taking less than $.1B and getting this pilot group moving and motivated would be a better investment, especially since we made money when almost noone else did.

Much better and smarter option than your doomsday proposal. I'm guessing you'd cross the picket line too.

 

[Ih8AFYesmen]

Ocity,

You think the fact that Alaska can replace us all in a matter of two weeks with qualified airline pilots currently on furlough AND has $1.1B in the bank to do it with is irrelevant?

Do you also think the fact that U.S. in currently in the worst economic recession since the '30s is irrelevant?

Nothing happens in a vacuum, my friend. Perhaps an unemotional look at the contract when it comes out coupled with an honest appraisal of the overall economic landscape would serve you (us!) better than screeching "No retro, no big raise, NO VOTE!"

Talk is cheap; we'll just have to see. However, scare tactics such as the recession, being locked out, replaced, blah blah blah, really don't matter for many of us. Yes, they are facts and yes they can and probably will happen if we are released for self help. Everyone's different. There's a difference on how much is at stake between guys making $150+/hr vs. $60/hr. Age, current seat position, the job market, and just the "give a $hit" factor plays a big role also. The question for everyone is this: how many times are you willing to take it up the a$$ until you start fighting back? I've already had mine through Kasher, so no more me.
On a different note, I'm pretty sure that our NC and MEC won't put out another turd of a TA, since the last one got shot down unanimously. Let's pray for the best, but be ready just in case.