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Takeoff Mins/Pinnacle Ops Specs

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TapitLight

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Quick question...

In KSBN this morning. Tower calling 1000RVR on runway 27L. Look at the back of our Jepp 10-9 page to find airport takeoff mins. Runway 27L has no HIRL or CL so the chart lists the minimum visibility for takeoff is 1600 RVR per adaquate visual reference. So we hold our taxi out. Meanwhile two Pinnacle CRJ 200's taxi our and state that they only need 1000 RVR for takeoff, they both depart.


Does Pinnacle have different charts than I do? Is there any way that Pinnacle's ops specs are allowing them to go below the chart's published takeoff mins?

Thanks, it was bugging us all morning.
 
i know they dont use Jepp. It's some jacked up free crap that they have. Maybe it gives them different numbers.
 
Jepps aren't controlling. Refer to your ops specs for your airlines' minimums. Then look at the equipment on the runway. If I remember correctly, 27L has centerline lights and the whole works - which probably means 5/5/5 or 6/6/6.
 
Actually the Jepps are controling. We are authorized at 6/6/6 as long is approved for that airport. If an airport lists 9/9/9 then we can only go down that low. As for SBN, the 10-9 chart is very basic. There is only one RVR report and the only takeoff mins are published under adequate visual reference,
1600 RVR or 1/4 sm.
 
Actually the Jepps are controling. We are authorized at 6/6/6 as long is approved for that airport. If an airport lists 9/9/9 then we can only go down that low. As for SBN, the 10-9 chart is very basic. There is only one RVR report and the only takeoff mins are published under adequate visual reference,
1600 RVR or 1/4 sm.

Yeah, what he said ^

Our ops specs allow us to go to 5/5/5, but ONLY if the airport also states 5/5/5. If the airport has higher mins then we need to use to more restrictive of the two. Some airports such as IPT, Williamsport PA, even have a ceiling requirement. This is because IPT requires a turn prior to 400 AGL in the obstacle departure procedure.

I don't have an approach plate for SBN, but if it says you need 1600RVR, then thats what you need. Unless you are part 91 or course.
 
Actually the Jepps are controling. We are authorized at 6/6/6 as long is approved for that airport. If an airport lists 9/9/9 then we can only go down that low. As for SBN, the 10-9 chart is very basic. There is only one RVR report and the only takeoff mins are published under adequate visual reference,
1600 RVR or 1/4 sm.

As stated earlier. PCL does not use Jepps. I'm not claiming to know what the LIDO charts say about SBN but they are often different than Jepp.
 
As stated earlier. PCL does not use Jepps. I'm not claiming to know what the LIDO charts say about SBN but they are often different than Jepp.

I feel your pain too.. We use LIDO also- Mistakes are very common, ya know, little stuff, like fixes being left off the enroute charts...
 
As has been stated before Ops Specs are controlling, and without HIRL, or CL, it doesn't seem like 27L qualifies for 1000 RVR takeoffs.

My experience with LIDO is limited, but from what I've seen, I can't understand why the FAA would allow any airline to use them.
 

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