Where was ALPA?

[eaglesview]

I'm not sure what UAL's situation has to do with what I was talking about nor I am exactly sure what specifically you're referring to........

I'm talking about two groups of pilots agreeing to binding arbitration and one side doing everything in their power to get out of said arbitration because the results didn't suit their (unrealistic) desires. So when I'm talking about "justice," I'm talking about the end result of the litigation that is taking place right now that will hopefully compel both sides to honor the promises they made when they agreed to binding arbitration.

And I have ZERO desire to rehash the whole "binding arbitration" thing again, so don't bother.

Well we can talk about it at work. You'll be easy to find as you will be the only one spouting pro ALPA crap in a sea of realists.

 

[ualdriver]

Well we can talk about it at work. You'll be easy to find as you will be the only one spouting pro ALPA crap in a sea of realists.

Well, I guess you'll also have to explain which point I'm debating with you? The Nicolau award or something to do with UAL guys getting furloughed? I'm confused.

 

[ualdriver]

UAL..

Thats fine but lets be careful about making claims that ALPA will protect the pilots....maybe will be there to TRY and protect the pilots. Which in this case..did not.

ALPA is NOT the savior of this profession.

ALPA will represent the pilots if they're ALPA pilots, no? And isn't the word "try" implicit in anything ALPA attempts to do? ALPA can't wave a magic wand and make anything happen, and I'm not aware of any representational bodies that can.

You'll also have to point to where I claim ALPA is "the savior of the profession." I think you'll have better luck finding posts where I say that ALPA is the best deal the professional pilots in the U.S. have going for them. You'll also have better luck finding posts where I say that I'd be more than happy to consider a better organization than ALPA- I just have yet to be introduced to one yet. And if the "non-union" carriers (JetBlue, Allegiant, Virgin America, etc.) represent what my life could be like without ALPA representation, I'll take ALPA every day of the week.

 

[PCL_128]

I am an "Eastie".

Since when has USAirways "East" had 717s?

 

[stlflyguy]

ALPA will represent the pilots if they're ALPA pilots, no?

There's a descriptor that's missing: ALPA will represent the pilot's well if they're ALPA pilots, no?

Funny how that was missing. Having your MEC's staff attorney guiding you through a merger is like taking on known icing with just pitot heat. And ALPA has no issue with that whatsoever...

stlflyguy

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Did the TWA MEC waive scope?

 

[stlflyguy]

Did the TWA MEC waive scope?

You're predictable, Rez...and about as deep as a paper plate.

To answer your question, yes: at the RECOMMENDATION of ALPA NATIONAL ADVISORS whom NEVER DISCLOSED THERE WAS AN ORGANIZING CAMPAIGN GOING ON AT AA.

stlflyguy

 

[ualdriver]

You're predictable, Rez...and about as deep as a paper plate.

To answer your question, yes: at the RECOMMENDATION of ALPA NATIONAL ADVISORS whom NEVER DISCLOSED THERE WAS AN ORGANIZING CAMPAIGN GOING ON AT AA.

stlflyguy

Unfortunatley I know nothing of the law, but I had a friend get the Bensel vs. ALPA Complaint (i.e. TWA vs. ALPA, APA, etc.) from Westlaw just so as a complete layman I could read what the complaint was all about. I haven't read the whole thing but....

It looks to me that the 10 counts against ALPA were dismissed with prejudice, and that 9 of the 10 counts against APA were dismissed with prejudice and Count X was dismissed without prejudice? (see below)

So what is the talk of a continuing lawsuit against ALPA for DFR?


IT IS on this 18th day of July, 2003,
ORDERED THAT:
1. Defendants' motions to dismiss will be treated as
motions for summary judgment and will be GRANTED as to Counts I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII,
and IX of the Plaintiffs' second amended restated
complaint.
2. Defendants Air Line Pilots Association, American
Airlines, Inc., and TWA Airlines, LLC's motions
to dismiss Count X of the Plaintiffs' second
amended restated complaint will be treated as motions
for summary judgment and will be GRANTED.
3. Defendant Allied Pilots Association's motion to
dismiss Count X of the second amended restated
complaint will be treated as a motion for summary
judgment and Count X will be DISMISSED
WITHOUT PREJUDICE as to Allied Pilots Association
only.
4. Plaintiffs' motion for attorney fees and costs will
be DENIED.
D.N.J.,2003.
Bensel v. Allied Pilots Ass'n
271 F.Supp.2d 616, 172 L.R.R.M. (BNA) 3273
END OF

 

[stlflyguy]

Unfortunatley I know nothing of the law, but I had a friend get the Bensel vs. ALPA Complaint (i.e. TWA vs. ALPA, APA, etc.) from Westlaw just so as a complete layman I could read what the complaint was all about. I haven't read the whole thing but....

It looks to me that the 10 counts against ALPA were dismissed with prejudice, and that 9 of the 10 counts against APA were dismissed with prejudice and Count X was dismissed without prejudice? (see below)

So what is the talk of a continuing lawsuit against ALPA for DFR?


IT IS on this 18th day of July, 2003,
ORDERED THAT:
1. Defendants' motions to dismiss will be treated as
motions for summary judgment and will be GRANTED as to Counts I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII,
and IX of the Plaintiffs' second amended restated
complaint.
2. Defendants Air Line Pilots Association, American
Airlines, Inc., and TWA Airlines, LLC's motions
to dismiss Count X of the Plaintiffs' second
amended restated complaint will be treated as motions
for summary judgment and will be GRANTED.
3. Defendant Allied Pilots Association's motion to
dismiss Count X of the second amended restated
complaint will be treated as a motion for summary
judgment and Count X will be DISMISSED
WITHOUT PREJUDICE as to Allied Pilots Association
only.
4. Plaintiffs' motion for attorney fees and costs will
be DENIED.
D.N.J.,2003.
Bensel v. Allied Pilots Ass'n
271 F.Supp.2d 616, 172 L.R.R.M. (BNA) 3273
END OF

http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/033176p.pdf

Remanded on appeal.

stlflyguy

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You're predictable, Rez...and about as deep as a paper plate.

To answer your question, yes: at the RECOMMENDATION of ALPA NATIONAL ADVISORS whom NEVER DISCLOSED THERE WAS AN ORGANIZING CAMPAIGN GOING ON AT AA.

stlflyguy

Not sure if you were ever a Part 121 PIC. I am sure you were. When I am sitting in the left seat, I am the man. Not the gov't. Not the company. Not the union.

It seems to me that the MEC and the Chair were wholy responsible for their group. Information, advice, counsel, etc.. is just that....

You are bitter... we get it....