any new rumors of furloughs at any of the fracs?

[exagony]

Anyone heard of anything?

 

[gutshotdraw]

Netjets is going to furlough everyone and Santulli has hired B19 and he will fly ALL the trips himself because he's just that awesome.....












Can't speak for any other company but I'm not expecting any changes at Netjets until the people are in the streets with pitchforks and torches. Which, given the already apparent ineptitude of this Congress and President could be any day now.

 

[brokeflyer]

Netjets is going to furlough everyone and Santulli has hired B19 and he will fly ALL the trips himself because he's just that awesome.....

gawd I just threw up in my mouth a little bit......

Seriously though, it wouldn't be healthy here for him, I'd drive him to a stroke, heart attack and external thrombosed hemeroids all at the same time.

 

[amaineiac]

Seriously though, it wouldn't be healthy here for him, I'd drive him to a stroke, heart attack and external thrombosed hemeroids all at the same time.

If you could guarantee that, I might be willing to take a furlough.

 

[RP170]

Which, given the already apparent ineptitude of this Congress and President could be any day now.

Agreed. I believe this ineptitude you speak of will eventually lead to many many more furloughs in the aviation industry. NetJets included in 2010.

The question is, will the public blame Obama or the Bush administration for getting us into this disaster? I know who I blame. It stems all the way back to the Clinton administration. That's where the sub prime lending began. Unfortunately, the Bush admin pretty much ignored what was about to happen.

 

[Cavpilot]

Agreed. I believe this ineptitude you speak of will eventually lead to many many more furloughs in the aviation industry. NetJets included in 2010.

The question is, will the public blame Obama or the Bush administration for getting us into this disaster? I know who I blame. It stems all the way back to the Clinton administration. That's where the sub prime lending began. Unfortunately, the Bush admin pretty much ignored what was about to happen.

Look even further back. It was the Carter Administration That started beating the drum for the mess we are in now. Unfortunately, those drumbeats got louder with every subsequent administration. Both Democrats and Republicans have blood on theirs hands.

 

[captain dad]

Agreed. I believe this ineptitude you speak of will eventually lead to many many more furloughs in the aviation industry. NetJets included in 2010.

The question is, will the public blame Obama or the Bush administration for getting us into this disaster? I know who I blame. It stems all the way back to the Clinton administration. That's where the sub prime lending began. Unfortunately, the Bush admin pretty much ignored what was about to happen.

The piece of legislation you speak of was the 1999 Gramm-Leach-Bliley Bill. Yes, that's right, Phil Gramm. John McCain's lead financial advisor.

It repealed a large portion of the Glass-Steagal Act that was put in place after the Great Depression to avoid another Great Depression.

The Dems voted it in But the Reps wrote it and voted for it.

You are right. Bush ignored it. Way to go Republicans.

As for the potential for furloughs...anything can happen but I hope it doesn't. I just hope the economy is fixed ASAP, for all of our sakes.

 

[GSXR600]

Netjets is going to furlough everyone and Santulli has hired B19 and he will fly ALL the trips himself because he's just that awesome.....

That was funny.................

 

[skyaddict]

Plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the aisle. I still think that the so-called "Maestro", Greenspan, was the single biggest villain in the story. He got us hooked on perpetually low interest rates that seemingly banished the business cycle - at the cost of getting us to this mother of all meltdowns that has now wiped out a decade of phony wealth creation. He is due to make a speech tonight, should be hilarious.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

Agreed. I believe this ineptitude you speak of will eventually lead to many many more furloughs in the aviation industry. NetJets included in 2010.

Geez man. I'm guessing you must have a decently high seniority number to just casually throw that out there. How about just keeping that opinion to yourself. There are some of us that don't need to hear that right now, even if there is a possibility that it might happen.

 

[blueridge71]

The piece of legislation you speak of was the 1999 Gramm-Leach-Bliley Bill. Yes, that's right, Phil Gramm. John McCain's lead financial advisor.
.

I think you are confused. The Community Reinvestment Act under Carter pretty much CREATED the subprime market. Clinton then expanded it and required Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase their subprime holdings. As we've discussed prior to the election, the GOP made numerous attempts to reform Fannie and Freddie, but were blocked by numerous sitting Democrats.

Glass-Steagall was a bad law and it's repeal had very little to do with the current mess.

 

[RP170]

Geez man. I'm guessing you must have a decently high seniority number to just casually throw that out there. How about just keeping that opinion to yourself. There are some of us that don't need to hear that right now, even if there is a possibility that it might happen.

Hey, I definitely hope I am wrong. The government is now going to have to inflate it's way out of this huge hole it's dug. And inflation combined with a recession/depression and high oil prices (which is on the way) equals disaster (stagflation) ahead. None of us can count on the government doing the right thing either. Look at what has happened so far. Hello socialism. The private sector will be crushed and the economy will grow at a slower rate than if this "stimulus" wouldn't have occured.

I'm not trying to be negative and get every riled up. It's pretty much Econ 101 at this point.

I'm in the bottom 300 here by the way.

 

[captain dad]

I think you are confused. The Community Reinvestment Act under Carter pretty much CREATED the subprime market. Clinton then expanded it and required Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase their subprime holdings. As we've discussed prior to the election, the GOP made numerous attempts to reform Fannie and Freddie, but were blocked by numerous sitting Democrats.

Glass-Steagall was a bad law and it's repeal had very little to do with the current mess.

Yeah you're right. Deregulating the financial service industry and allowing them to go unchecked for the last ten years had nothing to do with the mortgage crisis and predatory lending.

The Big GOP reform to Fannie and Freddie was intended to be even more deregulation until a couple of months prior to the election.

To bad the GOP is trying its best to obstruct, hoping that the country fails, just to regain power in four years. Yeah, that makes me want to be a Republican.

 

[MasterOfYaw]

The piece of legislation you speak of was the 1999 Gramm-Leach-Bliley Bill. Yes, that's right, Phil Gramm. John McCain's lead financial advisor.

It repealed a large portion of the Glass-Steagal Act that was put in place after the Great Depression to avoid another Great Depression.

The Dems voted it in But the Reps wrote it and voted for it.

You are right. Bush ignored it. Way to go Republicans.

The “Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act caused the crisis” line is like the “somebody must have hit the car while it was parked in the driveway last night Dad” line – a desperate attempt to deflect attention from the real story. Jimmy Carter’s Community Reinvestment Act, which scored banks based on their percentage of crappy loans and imposed harsh punishments on those who ranked low, and the huge leveraging of home loans ushered in by Fannie and Freddy are the government’s part of this car wreck.

Obama’s people are fortunate the media never asks them to elaborate on this line, but they forgot to get the story straight with the man who signed G-L-B, Bill Clinton:

"I don't see that signing that bill had anything to do with the current crisis. Indeed, one of the things that has helped stabilize the current situation as much as it has is the purchase of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America, which was much smoother than it would have been if I hadn't signed that bill.”

“On the Glass-Steagall thing, like I said, if you could demonstrate to me that it was a mistake, I'd be glad to look at the evidence."

 

[RP170]

To bad the GOP is trying its best to obstruct, hoping that the country fails, just to regain power in four years. Yeah, that makes me want to be a Republican.

If true, they will get their wish. This pork filled spending bill created by Obama to get funding for programs the Democrats couldn't get for the last 8 years, was suicide right off the bat. It is strictly a spending bill, not a stimulus. This will go down in political history as one of the worst, if not the worst, financial decisions made by the Democrats.

Again, I hope and I pray I'm wrong but the writing is pretty much on the wall.

 

[MasterOfYaw]

The Big GOP reform to Fannie and Freddie was intended to be even more deregulation until a couple of months prior to the election.

Come on Dad, you have to do better than that:

"I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was president, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac"

Bill Clinton

 

[captain dad]

If the Republicans are such good financial masters, then why are we in this mess in the first place?

Your party had the last 8 years to recognize and attempt to correct it.

Let me guess it was the Democrats in congress, right? (Beat you to the punch.) Yeah, that line is getting old and pointing the finger saying "they did it" is what my 3 year old does.

I see a division in this country that, I think, is more significant than the financial situation.

Time will tell.

Personally, I just want it fixed. I have a bit more faith in the new guy than I ever did in jr.

 

[MasterOfYaw]

Yeah you're right. Deregulating the financial service industry and allowing them to go unchecked for the last ten years had nothing to do with the mortgage crisis and predatory lending.

What specific part of Gramm-Leach-Bliley, other than the CRA provisions added to gain Democratic support, contributed to the mortgage crisis?

 

[MasterOfYaw]

Yeah you're right.

To bad the GOP is trying its best to obstruct, hoping that the country fails, just to regain power in four years. Yeah, that makes me want to be a Republican.

Let’s see, zero members of my party are asked to help write the stimulus bill. Three members of my party are allowed to comment on the bill while it’s in committee. Zero members of congress are given time to actually read the bill despite a bi-partisan pledge to post it for public viewing for at least 48 hours before a vote. Yep, I’m a obstructionist if I vote against this thing.

 

[captain dad]

Come on Dad, you have to do better than that:

"I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was president, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac"

Bill Clinton

Yeah I can pull quotes out of my butt to.

Remember when John McCain said "the fundamentals of the economy are sound"? Then he made a weak a$$ back paddle and claimed he meant the American people were the fundamentals he was speaking of? Along with a jab at the media for taking him out of context? What a tool.

How about when Phil Gramm called the American people a "bunch of whiners"? You remember that?

I want our contry to get back on top and it will take a lot of hard work on everyone's part.

When I see Boehner or McConnell, all I see is an empty suit spewing right wing talking points. The same stubborn ideology that doesn't work. I might as well watch O'really or listen to Rush. It is a waste of time.

The majority of people are sick of it and that's why they lost power.

 

[captain dad]

Let’s see, zero members of my party are asked to help write the stimulus bill. Three members of my party are allowed to comment on the bill while it’s in committee. Zero members of congress are given time to actually read the bill despite a bi-partisan pledge to post it for public viewing for at least 48 hours before a vote. Yep, I’m a obstructionist if I vote against this thing.

The Dems got 60% of what they wanted and the Reps got 40% (tax cuts) of what they wanted but that's not good enough to claim bipartisan?

I suppose you agree with Rush and claim it is a conspiracy just because he didn't know how to search a PDF file?

Yeah I saw Boehner flop down 1,100 + pages claiming fowl and not having enough time to read it, as a last ditch grandstanding stunt. Almost 90% of the document was made available for almost two weeks prior to the vote. Only the 10% including changes could even remotely be considered rushed. I don't know about you but I can read 100 pages in a couple hours.

Your clown leaders insult us all with their partisan hissy fits. It is pathetic.

 

[imacdog]

To bad the GOP is trying its best to obstruct, hoping that the country fails, just to regain power in four years. Yeah, that makes me want to be a Republican.

Yeah it wouldn't have to do anything with the stimulous bill being a turd that they were given six hours to read before voting, would it.

 

[imacdog]

"spend now, pay for it later" isn't that the kind of thinking that got people into foreclosures in the first place? And yet, somehow this is different?

 

[transpac]

The Dems got 60% of what they wanted and the Reps got 40% (tax cuts) of what they wanted but that's not good enough to claim bipartisan?

You might want to double check your tax cut percentage. The analysis I watched on CNN said the final bill had tax cuts that would cost about 25% of the total. And a large chunk of the 25% is not actually tax cuts, it's welfare checks for non-income tax payers.

 

[RP170]

You might want to double check your tax cut percentage. The analysis I watched on CNN said the final bill had tax cuts that would cost about 25% of the total. And a large chunk of the 25% is not actually tax cuts, it's welfare checks for non-income tax payers.

Bingo!!! Hey, that's the democratic way! Free handouts for the poor. Kind of goes hand in hand with sub prime mortgages too doesn't it? Let's let people have things they have no business owning or can afford.

People that make 30K-40K per year per household and live in 400K-500K homes just doesn't add up financially when you do the math. About half of the 120 homes in my neighborhood are in forclosure due to this. I'm sure the Democrats will bail them out as well though. Let's reward the irresponsible people yet again!

When are the people that actually pay their mortgage on time, every time, going to receive a free handout?

 

[CALRepublic]

Anyone heard of anything?

I bet you didn't see that coming, did you? (your thread turning into a CSPAN political argument)

Yes, CS, FX, FLOPS, and XoJet already furloughed. Here at NJA, we're hanging on, no plans to furlough, but that could change tomorrow.

 

[pilot772]

How about when Phil Gramm called the American people a "bunch of whiners"? You remember that?

watch the link below, and while this woman's story is sad it is most absolutely whining. This new stimulus is only creating more govt. dependency and people like this woman will never get off their feet and get a job and a house on their own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpae-kA_4X4

Yeah I saw Boehner flop down 1,100 + pages claiming fowl and not having enough time to read it, as a last ditch grandstanding stunt. Almost 90% of the document was made available for almost two weeks prior to the vote. Only the 10% including changes could even remotely be considered rushed. I don't know about you but I can read 100 pages in a couple hours.

Not sure where you got this info, but when the bill went to conference a large majority of it was changed or revised i.e.-the price tag, some tax cuts were removed, pet projects like Reid's train went from 2 billion to 8 billion, and the home buyers credit just to name a few off the top of my head. Just pull up the copy of the bill on congress' website and observe all of the pen and ink changes. Also if this legislation was so dire that it had to be passed last Friday. Why did the president wait 3-1/2 days to sign it himself. Seems to me that time could have been spent by congress reviewing the document.

 

[fischman]

watch the link below, and while this woman's story is sad it is most absolutely whining. This new stimulus is only creating more govt. dependency and people like this woman will never get off their feet and get a job and a house on their own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpae-kA_4X4

There is a difference between whining and pleading.

Republicans, who claim to be the moral poilice of America, who are believers in faith should be sympathetic to a person in need. Perhaps the Repuclicans are actually more concerned with lining their pockest with oil (gold), and playing with little boys in bathroom stalls?

"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth."

 

[Boxer]

For those that actually give a sh_t about the original question, at Flex in the last week or so I've come across:

"I heard another 25..."
"I heard another 50..."
"I heard another 75..."
"I heard they're takin' us down to 400..."
"I heard 3 sets of 25, 3 months apart..."
"I heard none until summer..."
"I heard 100 total..."
"I heard that would be it unless (and I like this part) the economy continues to deteriorate..."
"I heard that was it..."
"I heard a fleet size of 75 airplanes..."

and many more... take your pick

 

[CALRepublic]

For those that actually give a sh_t about the original question, at Flex in the last week or so I've come across:

"I heard another 25..."
"I heard another 50..."
"I heard another 75..."
"I heard they're takin' us down to 400..."
"I heard 3 sets of 25, 3 months apart..."
"I heard none until summer..."
"I heard 100 total..."
"I heard that would be it unless (and I like this part) the economy continues to deteriorate..."
"I heard that was it..."
"I heard a fleet size of 75 airplanes..."

and many more... take your pick

Ha, pilot rumors. I love this profesion.