QX upgrade out of seniority

[M-crit]

He's a cheif pilot. He's employed outside of the contract. Yeah life sucks for everyone right now, but your choosing to focus on something superfluous.

I don't think its that at all. The problem is that Horizon hires FOs for management positions because they know an FO will be a yes-man for them. If not its no upgrade for you. This way, management has someone in their pocket, and not on the side of the pilots. They dangle the carrot. If this was not true they would never hire an FO, they would hire a captain for the job like most companys.

 

[Cardinal]

I was aghast when I discovered the QX ACP I was talking to was also a QX FO. WTF. I have a hard time respecting certain managers anyway, to be lectured by an FO would absolutely take the cake. My sympathies to you all.

 

[Hamburger]

If this was not true they would never hire an FO, they would hire a captain for the job like most companys.

Was there a Captain that wanted the job?

to be lectured by an FO would absolutely take the cake.

Exactly why they Upgrade the guy. To give a false air of legitimacy to his 'authority.'

 

[Metro752]

Was there a Captain that wanted the job?



Exactly why they Upgrade the guy. To give a false air of legitimacy to his 'authority.'

Upgrading someone out of seniority is worse.

 

[Hamburger]

Maybe it's the first time you've seen it, but I can assure you this happens everywhere and has for a long time.
Usually it's because there is not a Captain deranged enough to want the job and the Ops Specs require whomever holds the position to have a Type.
It does suck, but for what it's worth, it's a miserable job and he's going to be hating life. There's a reason they have to dip so low to fill it.

 

[Tarzan]

I don't follow: In order to be involved with "different aspects" of your company, you are required to kiss-ass and accept benefits not available to a regular line pilot of your seniority?


I'm not anti-acheivement at all -- I, and most of my fellow line pilots work hard to achieve a very worthwhile goal: delivering passengers safely to their destinations. Any other considerations one has in mind while working as a professional pilot are, in my view, strictly extracurricular, and that includes buffing one's resume by taking an ACP job.

This what I am talking about. Just because someone has colored outside of the lines to further where he/she is in their career, generally the rank and file look to tar and feather that person. They are called brown noser and yes-men. In some cases they are, in other cases no. However, when you work for the company and not the contract, you are duty bound to operate in the companies best interest. I can enough arguments about company interest to demonstrate that a happy work group equates to a better product produced. There are still times to say no though.

Most of us have worked hard to get where we are. I've got a wife, kids and mortgage and worked my tail to get where I am now. I still have further to go but I will keep doing it. But once again, whenever someone steps out of line to achieve what is best for themselves and family, they get the back of the hand. It has become the seniority mentality of believing, "Only when it is your turn." Merit completely falls by the way side with that thought structure.

I'll catch a bunch of flack for this but it really doesn't matter. When it comes to bettering my position in life, I have no compunction at all about stepping out of line. If I can get a better job within the company when I beat of a more senior guy, I am all for it. You, the furloughed FO, the super senior captain or anyone else pays my bills or feeds my kids. It is MY responsibility so I if step on someones elses toes in the effort, I'll apologize and mean it but in the end, its to damn bad. I'll help out just about anyone but in the end it comes down to me and and how well I provide for my family.

 

[Sioux115]

I know for sure this has been grieved by the teamsters, especially when GH upgraded. I also heard the union has agreed to let this to continue since QX has been upgrading ACP's since the beginning of time.

On a side note: WHY DOES A COMPANY OF 650'ish PILOTS AND DECLINING HAVE 5 ASSISTANT CHIEF PILOTS!!!

 

[ReverseSensing]

When it comes to bettering my position in life, I have no compunction at all about stepping out of line.

Does that include a picket line?

 

[Tarzan]

Does that include a picket line?

Depends on if I agree with how far the company or union has gone.

 

[turbodriver]

Great to know that management has decided to upgraded an assistant chief pilot (currently an fo) out of seniority. Although upgrading management pilots out of seniority is nothing new at Horizon, this becomes even more unsettling given the fact that it is occurring at a time of furloughs, captain downgrades, and cost reductions. I hope for the sake of integrity, that this person chooses to sit right seat instead of left.

So they finally upgraded Lacy huh? I always knew that she'd kiss enough a$$......