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MALSR

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Great to know that management has decided to upgraded an assistant chief pilot (currently an fo) out of seniority. Although upgrading management pilots out of seniority is nothing new at Horizon, this becomes even more unsettling given the fact that it is occurring at a time of furloughs, captain downgrades, and cost reductions. I hope for the sake of integrity, that this person chooses to sit right seat instead of left.
 
I dunno. I think the seniority system certainly has it's bug. There should also be some sort of merit based system to go with it. I know of more than a couple of CA's that have no business being in the left seat. Just because you pass a type ride and have the right number doesn't mean that you should own your position.

Sounds like this guy has worked a little extra and received some compensation for it. I wish more airlines would do that but the unions would never allow for anything that could be construed as "unequal" or has merit involved.
 
I dunno. I think the seniority system certainly has it's bug. There should also be some sort of merit based system to go with it. I know of more than a couple of CA's that have no business being in the left seat. Just because you pass a type ride and have the right number doesn't mean that you should own your position.

Sounds like this guy has worked a little extra and received some compensation for it. I wish more airlines would do that but the unions would never allow for anything that could be construed as "unequal" or has merit involved.

I agree with your intent, but a system that awards things based on merit is certain to become a system that awards things based on chronyism and ass kissing. I work hard, I do my job right.. but I'm not interested in playing golf with my Chief Pilot on the weekend to win an upgrade slot. It just doesn't work.
 
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I agree with your intent, but a system that awards things based on merit is certain to become a system that awards things based on chronyism and ass kissing. I work hard, I do my job right.. but I'm not interested in playing golf with my Chief Pilot on the weekend to win an upgrade slot. It just doesn't work.

What he said.
 
I agree with your intent, but a system that awards things based on merit is certain to become a system that awards things based on chronyism and ass kissing. I work hard, I do my job right.. but I'm not interested in playing golf with my Chief Pilot on the weekend to win an upgrade slot. It just doesn't work.

People in the "real world" get compensated and promotions based on their performance and merit. It isn't all ass kissing and chronyism. I think the biggest problem with choosing upgrades based on a system like that is the fact that we work on our own 99% of the time, and if there isn't an incident, your performance will never even been noticed by anyone other than the other pilot.
 
Nope. Just your standard brown-nosing line-cutter that does quite well in management at QX.

I guess that makes me a brown noser too. I look to be involved with different aspects in the company. It won't do me a bit of good at my company but it may help diversify my resume if suddenly I find myself unable to fly.

The anti-achievement mentality lives on today.
 
Great to know that management has decided to upgraded an assistant chief pilot (currently an fo) out of seniority. Although upgrading management pilots out of seniority is nothing new at Horizon, this becomes even more unsettling given the fact that it is occurring at a time of furloughs, captain downgrades, and cost reductions. I hope for the sake of integrity, that this person chooses to sit right seat instead of left.

He's a cheif pilot. He's employed outside of the contract. Yeah life sucks for everyone right now, but your choosing to focus on something superfluous.
 
I guess that makes me a brown noser too. I look to be involved with different aspects in the company. It won't do me a bit of good at my company but it may help diversify my resume if suddenly I find myself unable to fly.

The anti-achievement mentality lives on today.

I don't follow: In order to be involved with "different aspects" of your company, you are required to kiss-ass and accept benefits not available to a regular line pilot of your seniority?

I get to be involved with "different aspects" than a regular line pilot (as a union volunteer) and I don't have to kiss anyone's ass to do so.

ACPs at QX are hired for one reason: they can be relied upon to say "yes" to their bosses and "no" to their subordinates. Merit (as in, years of exemplary service and perhaps even some experience as a line captain) doesn't really enter into the equation.

I'm not anti-acheivement at all -- I, and most of my fellow line pilots work hard to achieve a very worthwhile goal: delivering passengers safely to their destinations. Any other considerations one has in mind while working as a professional pilot are, in my view, strictly extracurricular, and that includes buffing one's resume by taking an ACP job.
 
He's a cheif pilot. He's employed outside of the contract. Yeah life sucks for everyone right now, but your choosing to focus on something superfluous.

Eroding pilot morale for essentially no purpose is not superfluous. In fact, it's asinine. But that never stopped management at QX.

They're picking a fight they don't need to pick.
 

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