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Bert Harbenson

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No--the article isn't about an ill advised decision after a few too many at the hotel bar...but it should be an interesting lawsuit to watch.

from avherald.com:


US Airways flight attendants spoke up - and face trial
By Simon Hradecky, created Thursday, Jan 29th 2009 18:16Z, last updated Thursday, Jan 29th 2009 18:18Z
Three US Airways flight attendants are facing a law suit filed by their pilot collegue demanding 2 million US$ in compensation for defamation, after they spoke up before departure on Jan 24th 2003, when they noticed ice accumulation on the wings of their airplane, which was to perform flight America West HP-851 from Calgary,AB (Canada) to Phoenix,AZ (USA). It took the common effort of all three flight attendants and three attempts, before the flight crew unwillingly agreed to de-ice the airplane. The airplane reached Phoenix on time and without incident.

The flight attendants reported the case to the FAA, which dropped proceedings against the pilots in 2006 stating, that they couldn't substantiate the allegations even though that doesn't mean, that they wouldn't believe the flight attendants. The first officer, put in charge by the captain to decide about de-icing, hired an attorney to represent him before the FAA, which cost him around 21000 US$. The first officer filed a law suit requesting 2 million US$ from the flight attendants in 2006.

US Airways let the flight attendants know, that they are on their own for that law suit, and wouldn't carry the bills for legal representation, even though they were on duty and following required crew cooperation procedures to ensure safety of flight.

Unknown to the flight attendants, Calgary Airport had filed an irregularity report as well, as ground staff had observed contamination of the wings and approached the flight crew asking, whether de-icing would be needed and received a blunt no.

The first officer admitted in a court deposition into the trial against the flight attendants, that there was frost on the wings of the aircraft indeed, but denied, that they were approached by the flight attendants until after having pushed back.

Contaminated wings have been cause of many crashes in the past. It is therefore required, that wings must be free from any contamination before takeoff.

The three flight attendants have set up a website asking for donations to fund their legal defense at:
http://www.helpflightattendantcrew.blogspot.com/
 
I don't get it. The airplane was de-iced. It's the Captain's decision. Why's the FO under the bus?

Why is this even a story, or something that everyone is writing unusual occurrence reports about?

If the Flight Attendants went outside Company protocols to exact some justice against the First Officer, then it sounds like he is well within his rights to attempt recovery.
 
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Why, if he knew there was frost on the wings, would he.....

Oh nevermind. It's probably something about how you guys do it out west. East pilots probably wouldn't understand.
(Pretty sure I don't want to....ha!)
 
Why, if he knew there was frost on the wings, would he.....

Oh nevermind. It's probably something about how you guys do it out west. East pilots probably wouldn't understand.
(Pretty sure I don't want to....ha!)

Thats ok, I don't understand the east 737 crew with their fuse plugs letting go while awaiting push after a gate return following an abort either.
 
I can't wait to hear Rez's take on this one....Who's got the popcorn?
 
I can't wait to hear Rez's take on this one....Who's got the popcorn?


Hard to say, when all of this started they were ALPO, so they were in the right.

But now they are USAPA, so they are wrong.

If only they volunteered more for ALPO then the crew would be worthy.

Oh, and heil Prater!
 

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