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[ACL65PILOT]

FIN;
DCI is not growing, it is shrinking too. The large pull down of DCI may be a little more drawn out than originally planned. It makes sense to drag it out until 2010.
We as a company need to get some narrow body lift on order or 2012 will be a very painful year for this pilot group!

 

[FBN0223]

FIN;

We as a company need to get some narrow body lift on order or 2012 will be a very painful year for this pilot group!

Order has already been placed, training department organized, manuals written and pilot positions awarded. And the DC-9 lives another day.

Until the economy swings upward, the DC-9 will provide the lift in which you speak. As Richard says, one of our primary missions is to pay down our debt. Using fully-owned aircraft instead of buying new is a good way to accomplish this in a tough economy.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Quite true. This is short term. I was referring to the long term. As we have discussed and beaten to the pulp, those 9's get mighty expensive to maintain after 2012. That is the time period that should concern the bottom 1000 or so.

 

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FIN;
DCI is not growing, it is shrinking too.

The 40/50 seaters have never been much of a threat to mainline. The 70 & 76 seaters are.

Do you contend the large RJ operations are shrinking? I'll double check, but I thought Compass and Mesaba were growing by more than 50% on an annual basis, SkyWest, Pinnacle, ASA and even Comair saw some large RJ growth. Am I mistaken?

If so, I'll start digging through BTS stats.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

They are shrinking, if you look at it year over year. Most not all but most of the 76 seat jets that have come online have replaced 2 50's. You will see more of that.
I agree that those jets are a huge threat to the 9's, 88's, 320's and some 73N routes. If you allow scope to 100 seat you can kiss all but a few of the 320's and 737's good bye.

 

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I think they grew on a seat mile basis. I'll look it up to be sure. Fleet numbers, you might be right with Mesa all but gone. Wonder what has been going on with Chatauqua. They might have had a net loss of airframes with Comair and ASA.

Shuttle America, Mesaba and Compass's growth is what I'm referring to. Only two mainline flights a day between "Delta's" two largest hubs.

 

[NuGuy]

As we have discussed and beaten to the pulp, those 9's get mighty expensive to maintain after 2012. That is the time period that should concern the bottom 1000 or so.

Heyas ACL,

You guys are fixated on 2012 for some reason. If you're talking about the AD, it is cycle based, not time based, and even at the higher utilization projection of this year, most don't start cycling out until well past 2015.

Not to mention, there are still lower time -9s in the desert that they swap out when one hits the mark.

I agree that the 100 seat aircraft is a long term issue, But the name on the data plate makes no difference, the flying still belongs to us.

Nu

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Well Nu, the DAL was is to erode scope. Lets hope we can keep it where it's at.

2012 is a number that we are myopic on because it is a number that the guys in fleet planning are myopic on. That is all. Plus, there are some costs associated with keeping the jet past then anyway.

 

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Eye Candy for those of us looking for a DC9 replacement program:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmMePyXD750&feature=related

Cheezy video - but nice flight deck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTHt02M5Wn8

 

[NuGuy]

Eye Candy for those of us looking for a DC9 replacement program:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmMePyXD750&feature=related

Cheezy video - but nice flight deck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTHt02M5Wn8

Hmmmm. I heard that Bombardier was twisting itself into knots trying to get the first customer.

Nu