CAL and XJT Merging?

[V1rowt8]

There has been alot of rumors of CAL and XJT merging. Can anyone at either carrier support these rumors as fact? If so, what would the benefit of this merger to CAL and XJT?

 

[catIIIc]

Never going to happen. The big question would be why? And second I think the SEC would have something to say seeing as they sold them at a profit and then set the price of their CPA which drove the price of their stock and now wants to buy them at a discount.

BTW this rumor is only going around XJT not CAL.

 

[54fighting]

I see good things never die. That rumor was around back in the mid 90's when I was there.
:beer:

 

[cybourg10]

Ever since CAL sold of XJT the "they are going to buy us back rumor" has been going around. The only reason it could make sense would be to get around the scope limit, the annoucement was supposed to take place a few days ago..........it ain't happening.

 

[catIIIc]

Ever since CAL sold of XJT the "they are going to buy us back rumor" has been going around. The only reason it could make sense would be to get around the scope limit, the annoucement was supposed to take place a few days ago..........it ain't happening.

How would buying XJT get around Scope limits?

 

[cybourg10]

It would be 1 seniority list as per the XJT ALPA contract, and since it would then be one list they could put whatever type of aircraft on it. I may have an incorrect understanding of this hypothetical but regardless it won't be happening anyway so it doesn't matter. If CAL wants 70/90 seaters they can have mainline pilots fly them. The XJT pilot contract requires the pilot seniority lists to be merged in the event of a merger or aquisition, SkyWest wanted us to waive that clause before they bought us.

 

[General Lee]

Make sure it is DOH for the seniority merge! It is what's FAIR.......tic


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DYLIN]

If CAL really wanted to get 170s or 190s they would just get them if they can't get the pilots to change the scope.

XJT doesn't need to be a part of CAL in order for CAL to augment their fleet.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Never happen! We don't need that anchor weighting us down.

DOH, ......well........, maybe then we'll talk!!! LOL

 

[Captain Overs]

Never going to happen. The big question would be why? And second I think the SEC would have something to say seeing as they sold them at a profit and then set the price of their CPA which drove the price of their stock and now wants to buy them at a discount.

BTW this rumor is only going around XJT not CAL.

That's funny. I jumpseat on CAL all the time from
St. Louis and CAL guys seem to talk about it as well.

 

[rumorhasit]

I see good things never die. That rumor was around back in the mid 90's when I was there.
:beer:

they were the same company....Continental owned continental express (as it was called back then)...geessss!!!

 

[V1rowt8]

Sooo, probably not going to happen, and if it were to, it would be complicated.

 

[IAHERJ]

That's funny. I jumpseat on CAL all the time from
St. Louis and CAL guys seem to talk about it as well.

Really? Because I haven't seen a CAL airplane in STL in years. Maybe some of the commuting pilots at CAL who hear this all the time from the XJT pilots on the jumpseats they ride might be talking about it. I heard it from about 5 XJT pilots yet nobody at CAL is hearing this rumor. If it did happen it would be a staple, period. I doubt it will happen though as CAL can fly 70-90 seat jets without purchasing XJT and their pilots.

IAHERJ

 

[tie1on]

the village is call you pocono pilot. they are looking for their idiot.

good luck in your future.

 

[RDG]

If it did happen it would be a staple, period. I doubt it will happen though as CAL can fly 70-90 seat jets without purchasing XJT and their pilots.

IAHERJ

Why would there be a merging of lists at all? When XJT was wholly owned before, the lists were separate. They could do that again. But what is the business purpose of buying a regional? Everyone seems to have learned a lesson from the Comair strike back in the day. Diversify feed, pit one regional against another, and keep costs low. Its why pokemyhole took a pay cut last year.

 

[nimtz]

Holy January 2001 Batman! Anybody seen Doc Brown and that flying Delorian cause I'd rather not relive the last 8 years of this profession.

 

[BeachBummer]

where is the donkey??? This is great, big carrot hey we're going to work on this merger deal.... but only if you guys can take another 10% paycut. Really, we're workin on it. DOH and everything. all rj fo's will be sitting in the 787 right seat by 2011... if it ever flies


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa

 

[xkuzme1]

Is there a Darwin award for stupid rumors and people that believe them?

 

[whatitdoing?]

If it ever did happen, it would be a staple. I could care less if we merge, but it'll be a staple. It would give me job security and give XJT guys career progression. Other than that....keep dreaming.

 

[BeachBummer]

If it ever did happen, it would be a staple. I could care less if we merge, but it'll be a staple. It would give me job security and give XJT guys career progression. Other than that....keep dreaming.

uke: yea, then they can furlough the $20/hr guys! for like 8 months and spend $millions retraining everyone!uke:

 

[V1rowt8]

If it ever did happen, it would be a staple. I could care less if we merge, but it'll be a staple. It would give me job security and give XJT guys career progression. Other than that....keep dreaming.

Would not a merger have a different seniority integration than a buyout per the ALPA bylaws? Regardless, this is nothing more than a rumor anyways, I too firmly believe that it will not happen it does not make financial sense for CAL.

 

[catIIIc]

Would not a merger have a different seniority integration than a buyout per the ALPA bylaws? Regardless, this is nothing more than a rumor anyways, I too firmly believe that it will not happen it does not make financial sense for CAL.

All the ALPA merger policy is a guideline and if the two sides cannot come to an agreement then it goes to Arbitration.

The last two arbitrations went with relative seniority with a heavy weighting on same type of aircraft. ie Widebodies, narrow bodies.

What like airplanes do XJT and CAL have in common. None.

Your right this is a baseless rumor that will never happen, and if CAL wants to get larger RJ's all they have to do is merger with UAL which still may happen.
.

 

[whatitdoing?]

All the ALPA merger policy is a guideline and if the two sides cannot come to an agreement then it goes to Arbitration.

The last two arbitrations went with relative seniority with a heavy weighting on same type of aircraft. ie Widebodies, narrow bodies.

What like airplanes do XJT and CAL have in common. None.

Your right this is a baseless rumor that will never happen, and if CAL wants to get larger RJ's all they have to do is merger with UAL which still may happen.
.

No, all we have to do is relax the scope provisions, but that'll never happen either.

 

[waka]

Whatever the case may be, if you were at COEX before the spin-off and you were part of the PFT babies, then I would hope you get put on the street because you deserve exactly what's coming to you. Unfortunately that would mean more junior non PFT'ers on the street so I digress. Just know that you PFT babies led the airline industry's race to the bottom.

 

[54fighting]

they were the same company....Continental owned continental express (as it was called back then)...geessss!!!

Uh, I WORKED there. We were owned by them but we were not on the same seniority list which is what this thread is about. I think I know what I am talking about. My ID said Continental Express. We had a flow through, that is it.

We heard these rumors every other month back then.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Hey pilots. Wouldn't it be an oppertunity to reverse the trend, take back all the flying that has been outsourced? Only Continental pilots flying Continental flights?

 

[catIIIc]

Hey pilots. Wouldn't it be an oppertunity to reverse the trend, take back all the flying that has been outsourced? Only Continental pilots flying Continental flights?

APA stated that is their goal in this next contract and we at CAL are trying to hold the line at 50 seat jets and 74 seat Turboprops. We are trying but it is a large bottle to cap.

 

[whymeworry?]

Yeah, they were going to merge with CAL for sure. I heard it too. All was set to happen until pokemyhole stepped into the fray. Basically she insisted XJT turn down the merger... so they did.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Don't drag me into this whymeworry

Just because CAL pilots want the XJT contract doesn't mean that we will merge with them. They can have their crappy lifestyles over there with the FARS as their contract, PBS and all the over 60 scabs.

CAL pilot job?, no thank you very much. LOL

 

[Mr Hat]

This merger is sure to happen.