SWA Pilot on paid leave pending alcohol investigation

[Whine Lover]

If the individual was so innocent why didn't he just tell the passenger to either A) watch his mouth or B) make an issue of it and delay the flight for a Breathalyzer?

If you are 100% innocent:

-Why escape and evade?

-Why call in sick?

How many times have you had a passenger make a stupid remark about "hope you guys are sober" or "get enough sleep last night?" or some other such equally ignorant thing?

Most of us either just ignore it, tell the individual that it is not a joking matter and put them in there place or, in the extreme, make an issue of it by asking for a Breathalyzer and testing out at a BAC of 0.00 ?

I hope the pilot in question slides, but I am still shaking my head at his course of action... which is the ONLY reason his name all over the Media.

Makes no sense to me.... Other than, he was "guilty as charged" and he knew it.

Doesn't mean he was drunk, doesn't mean he was above 0.02. Doesn't even make him a Bad Guy. It just means that he knew he had "partied hard" and wanted out of the situation ASAP.

?

"There, but for the Grace of God, ...."

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The 70's must have been so much better... Drink like a fish, blow a doobie on the beach, bang a hippie chick F/A without fear of dying from AIDS, toot a lil' Blow as a morning pick me up, waltz past security (carrying your pistol in case of hijacking ) by flashing your ID, and then grab ahold of four DC-8 throttles at 6am so you could do a Max. Power, Ball Blaster, Ear-Splitting, Dawn departure with no noise limits, even while spewing trails of smoke and soot all over the beautiful neighborhoods below.

Sigh.....Never again.

Those were the Days.

But then all those alcohol and drug related crashes occured (?) and, Thank God, now we have Drug and Alcohol Testing and the TSA.

Right?

YKMKR

 

[hockeypilot44]

Has there ever been a 121 aircraft crash due to one of the pilots being drunk? I thought that is why there were originally two of us. So we could cover for each other.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Has there ever been a 121 aircraft crash due to one of the pilots being drunk? I thought that is why there were originally two of us. So we could cover for each other.

One of the best observations yet. :beer:

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

don't you mean torpedo induced. an enema is fluid induced. a torpedo would be a purple domed hi speed tube

Everyone in here is looking at you wondering why you know so much about it. Hmmmm.

 

[satpak77]

Doesn't mean he was drunk, doesn't mean he was above 0.02. Doesn't even make him a Bad Guy. It just means that he knew he had "partied hard" and wanted out of the situation ASAP.



YKMKR

So

- We agree that he was probably not drunk

- We agree he prob is not a bad guy

- And we (ahem...) agree that he recogized a dicey situation and wanted out of it (mission accomplished)

so that should just about put this to bed then...

MODS: Request thread re-title to:

"Guy makes stupid mistake, recognizes it, and decides on another course of action before he gets himself or others in trouble, then is bashed on flightinfo for 5+ pages for taking proper course of action, which was done after honest disclosure to police and his own management"

 

[Dan Roman]

So what IF the guy screwed up (none of us know what really happened). We all make mistakes. You guys pointing fingers are masking a bigger problem. Your need to be critical of others to make up for your own short comings.

 

[rickair7777]

Why was he NOT detained? Why was he NOT arrested? Why is he still employed? Think about the whole situation and consider that if he was even close to intoxicated, they would have kept him detained long enough for a blood-test and then arrested him. They certainly wouldn't have let him go.

Wrong. Although the cops reacted quickly to "apprehend" this guy, it would not have taken them long to realize that that there is no federal, state, local law, or FAR against being slightly buzzed in an airport...what you happen to be wearing doesn't change that.

They had no grounds to force a blood test, and would have ended up signing over their houses to the guy if they had.

Pilots have been confronted at the airport and they invariably say "I'm going in to tell ops that I am calling in sick" Obvious BS, but since you can't prove otherwise, no crime.

If you think about every other high profile incident along these lines, you will recall that the offenders were arrested on board the aircraft.

Even the TSA is smart enough not to confront the drunk pilot at security...cuz if they do, he will leave and call in sick...no bust, no TSA heroism medal.

This guy may have been saved when that pax flushed him out before he got to the plane. Assuming he was even drunk... although his behavior was mighty fishy.

 

[nimtz]

So

- We agree that he was probably not drunk

- We agree he prob is not a bad guy

- And we (ahem...) agree that he recogized a dicey situation and wanted out of it (mission accomplished)

so that should just about put this to bed then...

MODS: Request thread re-title to:

"Guy makes stupid mistake, recognizes it, and decides on another course of action before he gets himself or others in trouble, then is bashed on flightinfo for 5+ pages for taking proper course of action, which was done after honest disclosure to police and his own management"

Sorry mate, but even if sober he's a dumb@ss that made every 121 pilot look bad. That's my issue. I get very irritated when I hear the 'breathalyzer before pilot flies' talk on MSNBC. What has happened here raises that bs once again.

The course of action when a passenger makes such an accusation is to call for the pee test and delay the flight. How you get to the point of being a captain at any airline and follow the path he took is beyond me? Rushing to the bathroom and telling a cop you partied hard last night is about as bright Pacman Jones 'makin it rain' at the strip club.

 

[Dude]

I am still blown away by the belief that the pilot said, "I partied hard". NO WAY did he say that. The running to the bathroom bit it BS too. His FO said that this was BS. I don't care if the Pope swears by that statement, the guy didn't say it.

By the way, the police can hold you, for a long time, for a multitude of reasons and suspicion being the most likely. Long enough for the company to administer a bloodtest, which I don't think they did.

I can't believe that most here aren't fuming from the fact that this dude was outed for doing nothing. The passengers and TSA have all the creditbility and the crews have none. Bull$hit! They can say anything they want, true or not, and anyone buys it.

 

[Papa Woody]

I heard Southwest was kicked out of a hotel in some small town because a crew of gay flight attendants had a sex party, and ended up plastering the walls with enema induced turd juice?

So that's what the crap is at the Hilton?! I thought it was textured paint!

 

[satpak77]

I get the sense that the interest in waning in this...

good

 

[zonker]

I was hoping it was that POS Paul Emens.

 

[skiandsurf]

Sorry mate, but even if sober he's a dumb@ss that made every 121 pilot look bad. That's my issue. I get very irritated when I hear the 'breathalyzer before pilot flies' talk on MSNBC. What has happened here raises that bs once again.

I dont know whats worse, the breathalyser or watching MSNBC.

 

[nimtz]

I am still blown away by the belief that the pilot said, "I partied hard". NO WAY did he say that. The running to the bathroom bit it BS too. His FO said that this was BS. I don't care if the Pope swears by that statement, the guy didn't say it.

So now we're saying the cop is a liar? Then I'd be calling a lawyer to prep a libel suit on him and a few media outlets.

From officer Harry H. Fisher:

"I then asked Captain Shook if he had been drinking today, and he stated, "No, but I partied hard last night at the hotel". Mr. Michael Rucker, Southwest CMH station manager and Mr. James June were in the room. Mr. Rucker was on the phone with Southwest drug and alcohol office, and stated to this officer that Captain Shook would have to submit to an alcohol test.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/heres-the-police-report-on-the.html

Who knows, maybe that was misinterpreted sarcasm?

 

[The Prussian]

I was hoping it was that POS xxxx xxxxx.

Say what you will...you and others might not agree with what he did, but I tip my pointy hat to him. At least he has integrity, is principled, and put in over 20 years of elbow grease to change something he felt was wrong. That's a whole lot more than I can say for your post, which outs him on a public forum.