NJA Radical Children

[Pervis]

Does anyone at NJI NOT have access to the NJASAP website EXCEPT for the message boards? If so just ask around a little bit and someone will tell you how! Or if you PM me I will give it to you so long as you ID yourself and I confirm on the BB

Unless you're on the Executive Board or Integration Committee, I'd be careful doing that. There is a site that will allow communication between the committee, selected NJASAP personnel and NJI pilots. The best way to help would be telling our webmaster if there are issues.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Grump,
Tks for the confirmation on the bad attitudes from our NJA pilots.

:beer:

I guess everyone over at NJI is absolutely thrilled about the integration, right? Or are you guys the only ones allowed to have some trepidation about this?

 

[Dirty Dingus]

As far as I'm concerned this is a WIN WIN situation for all of the Netjet pilots. Cheers
:beer:

 

[Semore Butts]

I'm enjoying meeting the NJI guys.

I will be glad when we can communicate together with the "G" guys.

I was against it and voted so. (IBB happened to fast for me)

Like the NJI guys that are being told "to bad, you should have spoken up 3 years ago", the same goes for us on the NJA side.

I have spoken to more and more NJI guys here in PM's. All seem like they will be a great addition to NJASAP.

Don't know where Dingus was getting his information.

I have seen on the union board some people voice there disagreement with the deal (as I have) but nobody is under the illusion that it's not gonna happen.

I sure don't hold anything against the NJI pilots?

Welcome, when it's all said and done we can come back and laugh at B-19!

 

[Diesel]

I'm still trying to figure out how a committee of people "elected" by less than half of the pilot group, with no polling research, and with ZERO legal standing is going to have any impact on where the integration is going. But hey, knock yourself out.

Nobody has been elected yet. If the majority doesn't elect representitives then GPAC won't happen.

Hey I'll knock myself out.... because there are pilots here with cajones that want to explore every avenue so that every NJI line pilot has a voice at the table and isn't just represented with those that have an agenda that might not coincide with line pilots.

Guess I'll just have to knock myself out.

 

[Gruman Fan]

I'm still trying to figure out how a committee of people "elected" by less than half of the pilot group.

Who said that? I was directly told by an organizer that they see 50+1 being registered by Jan.?


with no polling research.

GPAC is clearly a more reactive effort than a proactive effort. If an issue arises in which GPAC needs to poll the group, I'm sure they would.


And with ZERO legal standing is going to have any impact on where the integration is going.

Sorry Guts, but you are clearly wrong. NJASAP has clearly stated,

Many of you are receiving this e-mail from the Gulfstream Pilot Action Committee (GPAC), whose organizers include NJI pilots XXX and XXX. Having evaluated GPAC’s goals, objectives and processes, NJASAP was pleased to partner with them. We would encourage you to do the same by sending your full name, contact telephone number, e-mail address, and aircraft type to [email protected]. You may also visit the NJASAP Web site, www.njasap.com, and provide the Union with the same information via the “Info Update Form” Quick Link in the top left-hand corner of the home page.

Thats all the legal standing we need.

I think you and some other guys are mad that this all took place behind closed doors and totally outside the view of NJI management and the group leaders. (Speaking of which, are you a group leader?) Being an ex ALPA guy, I can tell you that sometimes its just better to let these talks happen out of the public eye. This took months to organize and Im sure it was a long and tetious process for both sides to build a relationship of trust to the point that they could "come out" and make these endorsements. This didnt just happen, the union isnt stupid. I'm sure they did they're background checks, asked the questions, and so forth. But now that both sides have agreed to work together, they've tied themselves together to make this whole thing workout. Nobody wants egg on their face, so they will do what it takes to make it happen smoothly, and fairly. And 2 years down the road, we'll all be better off (excluding the economy..:erm

NJASAP wants a smooth integration, and dealing with 4 pilots instead of 324 will make it a lot easier on them.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.....

 

[gutshotdraw]

I'll be surprised if 50% +1 join the effort.

Whose going to pay for the polling?

Just because NJASAP says "Have a seat" doesn't give GPAC legal standing with the NMB if it comes to that.

I'm not mad. I just think it is a futile effort (and no, I'm not management and I'm not part of the biggest waste of time in the history of NJI aka the Group Leader program). Based on the conversations I've had with two NJASAP people at the forefront of the integration and Bill Olsen's reputation, I'm not worried at all about a smooth integration. I just don't think GPAC will have an impact and people will have gotten their panties in a wad for no reason.

And Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

 

[Diesel]

Gutshot-

Good then don't join. Keep hoping that everything stays good and that BO hasn't switched over to the dark side and that someone will do the heavy lifting for you.

To not even register because you feel is a waste of time is one of the more pansy things I've read. Be a man grab your balls and say, "I don't believe in this." not "well everything will hopefully be allright and I believe its a waste of time"

I'd respect you a hell of a lot more in the morning.

 

[TCA]

Hey "D",

Are you slamming "Gutshot" from the perspective of the above post or another?

I don't think your comments apply to his post above.

He expressed his opinion that he doesn't feel that there will be a majority to sign with GPAC. I too would be surprised if there was a 50% plus 1 majority.

Cheers

 

[gutshotdraw]

Diesel,

I don't believe in this BECAUSE it's a waste of time.

Happy?

 

[Diesel]

Yup happy because lazyness is bliss.

If there is a 50 plus 1 will you then sign up or come up with another excuse?

 

[gutshotdraw]

I won't sign up regardless. NJASAP will soon be my bargaining agent and my conduit of information. My effort will be expended within that organization.

I'm curious. You're a member of NJASAP but you're joining GPAC too? How does that work?

 

[Diesel]

Am I not a gulfstream pilot?

I sure am signing up because I am a gulfstream pilot but also a dues paying member of the union. I'm lucky I get to hear both sides of the argument while most NJI pilots only hear the side the company wants them to hear. Often it has an interesting slant that makes me chuckle.

I'm joining because there are things we do that the union should learn about and understand. I realize that if they are dealing with a select few (selected by those that drive G's) the message of what we need, want, and expect will be a lot clearer.

If you had access to our union board you would see that I am constantly trying to demystify what we do to those that are willing to listen. A good thing is a lot are willing to listen. Even the union leadership.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Guts,

I wont argue your personal views, everyone has them. But here is where I get lost in translation...

Back in September/October when the "announcement" was made, NJI pilots went ballistic. Pissed off doesn't do justice to what our pilots were saying about everyone from Warren to the Assistant Chief. Within a few weeks, the sentiment grew and a resounding message was sent to Okatie...

"WE WANT A VOICE AND A SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS FROM THIS POINT FORWARD"

If you don't believe that statement was pounded out by the rank and file, you have your head deeper in the sand than I thought. You and I both know dozens and dozens of our pilots complained and talked to their group leaders and upper management and expressed their concerns that we have someone representing our interests in the integration. Not one single response to that request came from management.

SOOooooo...

Wham Bam, GPAC comes out of the rank and file to give our pilots exactly what they want, a voice and an opportunity to share their thoughts directly with the people who will guide this integration. And lo and behold the union actually supports GPAC of all things.


But...

Thats not good enough for you, and because you dont like who started it, or what its doing, or how its laid out, or what ever has crawled up your *ss about it... you trash the idea and trash the people who support it.

Personally I dont care if you support GPAC or not. But your lack of understanding the internal workings of a union and what it takes to make the association function are obvious in your take on GPAC. In the letter sent to NJI pilots from NJASAP the integration team openly endorsed GPAC and asked NJI pilots to support the effort because they (the union) see the validity in working with a committee of NJI pilots.

Your idea that the effort is fruitless is confusing.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Am I not a gulfstream pilot?

I sure am signing up because I am a gulfstream pilot but also a dues paying member of the union. I'm lucky I get to hear both sides of the argument while most NJI pilots only hear the side the company wants them to hear. Often it has an interesting slant that makes me chuckle.

I'm joining because there are things we do that the union should learn about and understand. I realize that if they are dealing with a select few (selected by those that drive G's) the message of what we need, want, and expect will be a lot clearer.

If you had access to our union board you would see that I am constantly trying to demystify what we do to those that are willing to listen. A good thing is a lot are willing to listen. Even the union leadership.

I hear you Diesel, that's why I have been talking directly to two people at the forefront of the integration process including a NJASAP Trustee that I have known since long before he joined Netjets. He put me in touch with an NJASAP integration rep that was anxious to hear from a line pilot about how NJI operates that is different from NJA. I told him they were strictly my opinions and he accepted them as such.

NJASAP wants as much input as possible from NJI pilots which is perhaps why they have embraced the notion of GPAC. The rep told me they would like to find a way to incorporate some of the better ways NJI does things into the entire operation. But if some NJI pilots think GPAC will somehow alter the outcome of the integration, especially with respect to seniority, that is, I think, naive. When it comes to pay, benefits, seniority and a few other core issues, it will be the CBA down the line.