Citation XLS+ for NJA or CS?

[johnsonrod]

Interesting article about the XLS+ in this month's BC&A magazine. Is either Netjets or Citationshares scheduled to get these airplanes to replace older versions? If so, how many?

Looked like an upgrade from three to four tubes up front (Pro Line 21). The cabin looked nicer as well.

 

[paulsalem]

NJA has orders for them, I think deliveries begin in first quarter 09.

 

[XTW]

CS is going to get them also.


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[DO-82 driver]

XLS+ sim will be in place at Flight Saftey on May 9th or 15th. NJA is expecting to have it online by July 2009.

 

[CCC]

There is already an XLS+ sim running at FSI in ICT and a second one coming soon....

 

[CL600Pilot]

XLS+ sim will be in place at Flight Saftey on May 9th or 15th. NJA is expecting to have it online by July 2009.

Very close.... FSI CMH will get the sim around that time frame with training to begin in August. The XLS+ sim in ICT is already operating and expect a second sim in ICT early next year.

CL

PS - NJA deliveries have slipped since the original 1Q09 time frame - look for them end of 2Q09 or early 3Q09.

 

[johnsonrod]

Very close.... FSI CMH will get the sim around that time frame with training to begin in August. The XLS+ sim in ICT is already operating and expect a second sim in ICT early next year.

CL

PS - NJA deliveries have slipped since the original 1Q09 time frame - look for them end of 2Q09 or early 3Q09.

How many XLS+ aircraft are we talking about? I know the XL/XLS fleet at Netjets is huge. Are we looking at replacing a big percentage and ultimately phasing out the XL and XLS? That would be 80+ airplanes - right? Looks like a nice airplane....

 

[jtf]

I don't think there is a set number on how many +s NJA will get. There has already been one or two older Excels sold off and I'm sure as time goes by NJA will at a minimum replace older Excels with the + even if the economy stays bad for a long time. It's hard to say how much the overal fleet including the Excel, XLS and XLS+ will be. It just depends on how many customers NJA has for it.

 

[Corporate Dude]

FYI, the XLS+ is now backed up until AT LEAST July, 09 for NJA.

Don't know how many we are getting for sure. I have heard 50 with options for 50 more.

2 XL's are gone. Gee, now we only have 113 of them...

 

[clueless]

Looked like an upgrade from three to four tubes up front (Pro Line 21). The cabin looked nicer as well.

Good thing they have a new sim to train folks for the incredible upgrade from 3 tubes upfront to 4 tubes...egads, where do I look to see if I'm right-side-up?

Come to think of it...the last type ride I took it was super-important to know whether the cabin was real leather or vinyl...the "Vinyl Allergy Reaction" checklist...1.) LAND AT THE NEAREST SUITABLE AIRPORT

 

[flagshipper]

Good thing they have a new sim to train folks for the incredible upgrade from 3 tubes upfront to 4 tubes...egads, where do I look to see if I'm right-side-up?

Come to think of it...the last type ride I took it was super-important to know whether the cabin was real leather or vinyl...the "Vinyl Allergy Reaction" checklist...1.) LAND AT THE NEAREST SUITABLE AIRPORT

It is an entirely new avionics system and not just an extra tube. You ever watch a honeywell guy try and fly a collins? He might as well be a student pilot.

 

[F/O]

Cessna made the right choice. The Collins really is superior.

 

[Sparse]

It is an entirely new avionics system and not just an extra tube. You ever watch a honeywell guy try and fly a collins? He might as well be a student pilot.

Vice versa comes with a lot of complaints but much satisfaction. Must be that the Honeywell dual cue is a superior product.

 

[RCR5]

I believe the Collins is much nicer.

I went from a FMS 3000 in our military aircraft to the Honeywell in the Citation Shares XL/XLS and there is noticeably more head down time tuning with that Honeywell than there is with the Collins. The Collins is much faster and easier to operate in my opinion. Bring on the Pro Line 21 (it uses the FMS 3000) in the XLS+.

Not that I am senior enough to see it for several years.....lol. Atleast I know I will eventually.

 

[bailout]

Vice versa comes with a lot of complaints but much satisfaction. Must be that the Honeywell dual cue is a superior product.

OMG, you're one of THOSE guys who actually LIKE the dual cue...!

In all fairness, Honeywell has more than one level of the Epic software, and we have the 'Epic Lite', not the full version the airlines have. Collins is a MUCH superior product in either case though.

 

[guido411]

For you XLS+ guru's, an XL driver told me he heard the Mmo was bumped up to .77 or .78, any truth to that?

 

[Tgaug6300]

Not true, it is still .75.

 

[jonjuan]

Yep, still 0.75. Same wing.

 

[ozpilot]

.75? Dang! I think thats stall speed on the X ...

So if a Hawker and a X leave the east coast at the same time heading to LAX, the X will be landing while the Hawker is still over Denver ...

Of course when the Hawker crew is heading to the LAX Hilton the X crew will again be over Denver - going back to the east coast ..:crying:

 

[jonjuan]

.75? Dang! I think thats stall speed on the X ...

So if a Hawker and a X leave the east coast at the same time heading to LAX, the X will be landing while the Hawker is still over Denver ...

Of course when the Hawker crew is heading to the LAX Hilton the X crew will again be over Denver - going back to the east coast ..:crying:

Depends- Are you talking the pre 400 pound weight increase block change CX? In winter, the CX with more than a few pax could be looking at a fuel stop.