RAH recalls furloughs

[DOVPILOT]

But a friend of mine in IND in management told me...

yeah same gnmt A$$ who started the rumar that the deal to transfer USAir's E-190 over to RAH has already been inked....Fat bastard Fabio

 

[meyers9163]

yeah same gnmt A$$ who started the rumar that the deal to transfer USAir's E-190 over to RAH has already been inked....Fat bastard Fabio

What IDIOT would assume thing? If they really said this they need to look over legal contracts and scope let alone the number of 70 seat regional jets at airways as to the number that are suppose to be allowed. Got news for many mainline guys are fighting to correct this situation.

 

[hockeypilot44]

The problem is people don't realize how to spend their money wisely. You can live quite handsomely on a 60K income. But there is the other group of people who think they need to make 6 figures and only buy the best of the best. In times like these its good to be frugal especially if your still on 1st FO pay.

You cannot comfortably support a family of 4 on 60k per year. On top of that, there are very few regionals that I know of that pay first officers that much. The average income for a family in 2007 was $50,233. It is pathetic an airline captain with years of experience is barely above average salary wise in this country. What is really sad is that a regional first officer cannot even make that much. That is why it is such a big deal to see companies like ATA, Midwest, Aloha, etc. go out of business while companies like Republic and Mesaba expand. It seems like there are no new well-paying jobs. Only ********************ty regional jobs. The days of going to a regional, upgrading in a year and a half, and leaving for a major are over. The regionals pay like stepping stones, but they are not stepping stones anymore.

 

[Full of LUV]

Where do you live????

The problem is people don't realize how to spend their money wisely. You can live quite handsomely on a 60K income. But there is the other group of people who think they need to make 6 figures and only buy the best of the best. In times like these its good to be frugal especially if your still on 1st FO pay.

Well that's just great, as a pilot I should be satisfied with 60K income. I guess we all have to move to midwest and find some rustbelt town to move into a house for under 100K, because I got news for you, 60K is not going to provide for a family on the west coast and life is toooooooo short to have to live in the midwest!

 

[el diablo126]

That's fantastic; all recalled with about 275 Midwest guys and gals hitting the street and perhaps the demise of MEH. Doesn't seem right! Maybe Republic pilots should be stink palmed when asking for rides.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfVVjpVZP8I

only approx 25 of the 154 are being recalled. 14 voluntary and the rest invol.

 

[pdub20s]

And once again, putting blame on Republic pilots that have absolutely NOTHING to do with how Midwest got to this dire position, or that RAH pilots made this management decision on this flying for Midwest.

Midwest pilots should blame their own CEO for failing to be competitive in a crowded market (60% load factor doesn't cut it), high fuel prices, and a recession economy. Get some maturity and some education.

I agree with the statement above.. But when your in the Hotel van and you hear these guys boasting about all the new flying they are getting..You kinda wanna shove their hats down their throats...

 

[TAWS]

I agree with the statement above.. But when your in the Hotel van and you hear these guys boasting about all the new flying they are getting..You kinda wanna shove their hats down their throats...

That's because you fly for the biggest D-----bag in the history of the regionals. Have you ever thought that the guys you are referring to are saying this for your benefit?

Just keep telling yourself that Paul Foley is at Mesa to build the company into something great ...................... yeah, just like he did everywhere else. Enjoy your life at Mesa.

 

[flylike44]

You cannot comfortably support a family of 4 on 60k per year. On top of that, there are very few regionals that I know of that pay first officers that much. The average income for a family in 2007 was $50,233. It is pathetic an airline captain with years of experience is barely above average salary wise in this country. What is really sad is that a regional first officer cannot even make that much. That is why it is such a big deal to see companies like ATA, Midwest, Aloha, etc. go out of business while companies like Republic and Mesaba expand. It seems like there are no new well-paying jobs. Only ********************ty regional jobs. The days of going to a regional, upgrading in a year and a half, and leaving for a major are over. The regionals pay like stepping stones, but they are not stepping stones anymore.

nobody put a gun to your head and made you have 2 kids. that was your choice. and if you kept having kids while your wages were in a downward spiral, then shame on you. work another job on your days off.

edited to reflect that hockeypilot may not have 2 kids, he/she's just making an argument based on a family of that size. if that's the case, my post is not intended specifically for him/her, but for the countless people complaining about not being able to raise 2 kids on a regional captain's salary.

 

[Snakum]

You cannot comfortably support a family of 4 on 60k per year.

Maybe you can't. But I sure can. And I do, in fact.

(But I don't live in California or New York. That'd certainly change things. )

 

[ALIMBO]

You cannot comfortably support a family of 4 on 60k per year. On top of that, there are very few regionals that I know of that pay first officers that much. The average income for a family in 2007 was $50,233. It is pathetic an airline captain with years of experience is barely above average salary wise in this country. What is really sad is that a regional first officer cannot even make that much. That is why it is such a big deal to see companies like ATA, Midwest, Aloha, etc. go out of business while companies like Republic and Mesaba expand. It seems like there are no new well-paying jobs. Only ********************ty regional jobs. The days of going to a regional, upgrading in a year and a half, and leaving for a major are over. The regionals pay like stepping stones, but they are not stepping stones anymore.

Whoa whoa I never said anything about having a family. As a single young guy I can do it just fine. Doin it for the most part ok right now on 12K. Now would I be happy with the ******************** pay at a regional no hell no.

 

[Snapperhead]

That's fantastic; all recalled with about 275 Midwest guys and gals hitting the street and perhaps the demise of MEH. Doesn't seem right! Maybe Republic pilots should be stink palmed when asking for rides.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfVVjpVZP8I

I agree with you brother...up to part about jumpseating. Besides that I believe the replacement workers flying Midwest routes is scablike. Note: I didn't say they are scabs. I'm sure the next post will say something about how pilots don't get to decide which routes they fly etc...

 

[lookin4better]

That's fantastic; all recalled with about 275 Midwest guys and gals hitting the street and perhaps the demise of MEH. Doesn't seem right! Maybe Republic pilots should be stink palmed when asking for rides.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfVVjpVZP8I

lol good show!

On the other hand they are salivating over the fact of flying airplanes painted in colors of other companies and claiming it to be their own.

I do agree that jumpseat war is not the way to fix this.

 

[lookin4better]

I agree with the statement above.. But when your in the Hotel van and you hear these guys boasting about all the new flying they are getting..You kinda wanna shove their hats down their throats...

yup

and to say many many of them are not very happy would be a lie. Yippe! more flying for us----however not having any idea where that flying is coming from.
It didnt just appear ---poof!

They will most likely get stuck at RAH their entire careers.....only a small percentage of all regional pilots will move on. Its not just RAH, so they might as well be happy, its where they will probly retire from.

 

[BoDEAN]

Recall letters were sent out this weekend.
New code share to be announced DEC. Wonder if BB wife is having another one too.

It's legit.
About 25 people

 

[hockeypilot44]

Again, 25 jobs brought back paying $22.95/hour. These pilots make a base salary of $20,655/year (75 x 12 x 22.95). If these pilots are working at McDonalds or Walmart full-time, then they are taking a pay cut to return to Republic.

On a brighter note, they get to fly the almighty 170 which is a really cool airplane!!! The passengers love it and think they're on mainline. (sarcasm)

 

[ALIMBO]

Again, 25 jobs brought back paying $22.95/hour. These pilots make a base salary of $20,655/year (75 x 12 x 22.95). If these pilots are working at McDonalds or Walmart full-time, then they are taking a pay cut to return to Republic.

On a brighter note, they get to fly the almighty 170 which is a really cool airplane!!! The passengers love it and think they're on mainline. (sarcasm)

Dude they are cool what you talking bout? lol

 

[richav8ter]

Again, 25 jobs brought back paying $22.95/hour. These pilots make a base salary of $20,655/year (75 x 12 x 22.95). If these pilots are working at McDonalds or Walmart full-time, then they are taking a pay cut to return to Republic.

On a brighter note, they get to fly the almighty 170 which is a really cool airplane!!! The passengers love it and think they're on mainline. (sarcasm)

The pax really do love it and the new Delta 175's are super shiney. The upgrade time is like one year.(wait no that was last year).

 

[Captain Morgan]

Again, 25 jobs brought back paying $22.95/hour. These pilots make a base salary of $20,655/year (75 x 12 x 22.95). If these pilots are working at McDonalds or Walmart full-time, then they are taking a pay cut to return to Republic.

On a brighter note, they get to fly the almighty 170 which is a really cool airplane!!! The passengers love it and think they're on mainline. (sarcasm)

So,... after the redistribution of wealth, we are all set... thanks for your concern though.

 

[ifly4u]

On a brighter note, they get to fly the almighty 170 which is a really cool airplane!!! The passengers love it and think they're on mainline. (sarcasm)

Damn passengers! With their carry on luggage and preference for overhead bin space. Bastards.. they'll be the death of us all. If they knew what was good for them they'd be sitting on a 100 seat turboprop. And then it would be okay because there would be no chance of them thinking they're on mainline. (sarcasm)

 

[Yudso]

So,... after the redistribution of wealth, we are all set... thanks for your concern though.

You should be happy, you will get a raise from obama, you lazy, no good F.O.

 

[DoubtingThomas]

Again, 25 jobs brought back paying $22.95/hour. These pilots make a base salary of $20,655/year (75 x 12 x 22.95). If these pilots are working at McDonalds or Walmart full-time, then they are taking a pay cut to return to Republic.

On a brighter note, they get to fly the almighty 170 which is a really cool airplane!!! The passengers love it and think they're on mainline. (sarcasm)

For reference, this guy was pumping gas 5 years ago, and now he's the critic of the industry!

TY/JJJ why don't you chill out and get off the internet for awhile?

Because you don't sound like the chill guy that I used to know.

 

[Propsync]

Besides that I believe the replacement workers flying Midwest routes is scablike. Note: I didn't say they are scabs. I'm sure the next post will say something about how pilots don't get to decide which routes they fly etc...

I guess it would have been better to keep the RAH guys on furlough and shut Midwest down. It's better to have more people out of work, right? At least you and your posse can whine and complain like little kids about things you can't control. Amen for the internet.

 

[aewanabe]

To the RAH guys excited about new flying and opportunities: probably bad form to be excited on Flightinfo when so many other companies are struggling. Just remember the flavor of the month today will be the under-bid, struggling contract carrier after the next round of BK.

To FORMER RAH pilots who accepted the job when it paid 19.75 and made it out to, oh, say NW or DL; It's REALLY bad form to constantly bitch about kids flying jumbo RJs for ******************** pay when you were there yourself less than a year ago, and accepted the job when it paid even less to start. Maybe now that you made it to the show you should be working on scope, one-list issues etc to try to get your brothers there instead of constantly bitching about guys taking the EXACT SAME PATH you did. I'm just saying.

BTW assuming Walmart or McD's paid 9 dollars an hour to start (which most don't) the full year pay is 18.7K, and I guarantee the second year pay rate at those places isn't going to be anywhere near 30K. It's pretty sad that they're even close but let's try to stay accurate with the hyperbole, huh?

And to those of you thinking "at least my RJ only has 50 seats so I'm not hurting anybody" you're fooling yourself. Just ten or so short years ago your ORD-GRR, CVG-GSO, SLC-BIL or DTW-AZO route was flown by a 727-200, 737-200, DC9-10 or F100 by guys making 3 times what we make now.

We're ALL to blame for this mess.

 

[SennaP1]

We're ALL to blame for this mess.

Agreed.

 

[hockeypilot44]

To the RAH guys excited about new flying and opportunities: probably bad form to be excited on Flightinfo when so many other companies are struggling. Just remember the flavor of the month today will be the under-bid, struggling contract carrier after the next round of BK.

To FORMER RAH pilots who accepted the job when it paid 19.75 and made it out to, oh, say NW or DL; It's REALLY bad form to constantly bitch about kids flying jumbo RJs for ******************** pay when you were there yourself less than a year ago, and accepted the job when it paid even less to start. Maybe now that you made it to the show you should be working on scope, one-list issues etc to try to get your brothers there instead of constantly bitching about guys taking the EXACT SAME PATH you did. I'm just saying.

BTW assuming Walmart or McD's paid 9 dollars an hour to start (which most don't) the full year pay is 18.7K, and I guarantee the second year pay rate at those places isn't going to be anywhere near 30K. It's pretty sad that they're even close but let's try to stay accurate with the hyperbole, huh?

And to those of you thinking "at least my RJ only has 50 seats so I'm not hurting anybody" you're fooling yourself. Just ten or so short years ago your ORD-GRR, CVG-GSO, SLC-BIL or DTW-AZO route was flown by a 727-200, 737-200, DC9-10 or F100 by guys making 3 times what we make now.

We're ALL to blame for this mess.

Agreed. I want to see every single pilot make decent wages. I just don't like it when I hear my former Republic colleagues brag about all the new flying they are getting at other pilots' expense.


Doubting Thomas: You have the wrong guy.

 

[JumpCaptain]

To the RAH guys excited about new flying and opportunities: probably bad form to be excited on Flightinfo when so many other companies are struggling. Just remember the flavor of the month today will be the under-bid, struggling contract carrier after the next round of BK.

To FORMER RAH pilots who accepted the job when it paid 19.75 and made it out to, oh, say NW or DL; It's REALLY bad form to constantly bitch about kids flying jumbo RJs for ******************** pay when you were there yourself less than a year ago, and accepted the job when it paid even less to start. Maybe now that you made it to the show you should be working on scope, one-list issues etc to try to get your brothers there instead of constantly bitching about guys taking the EXACT SAME PATH you did. I'm just saying.

BTW assuming Walmart or McD's paid 9 dollars an hour to start (which most don't) the full year pay is 18.7K, and I guarantee the second year pay rate at those places isn't going to be anywhere near 30K. It's pretty sad that they're even close but let's try to stay accurate with the hyperbole, huh?

And to those of you thinking "at least my RJ only has 50 seats so I'm not hurting anybody" you're fooling yourself. Just ten or so short years ago your ORD-GRR, CVG-GSO, SLC-BIL or DTW-AZO route was flown by a 727-200, 737-200, DC9-10 or F100 by guys making 3 times what we make now.

We're ALL to blame for this mess.

Wow, I'm not used to such mature posts on this site. You know this is Flight Info right?

 

[dooork]

Just ten or so short years ago your ORD-GRR, CVG-GSO, SLC-BIL or DTW-AZO route was flown by a 727-200, 737-200, DC9-10 or F100 by guys making 3 times what we make now.

They dont make 3x as much now. Whos to blame for that?