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JetFumes

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I heard a story about a new hire dude who was a little older who got sent home after failing IOE. This is the second time I have heard of this happening. What gives with the training over there? Is it really that difficult. I heard they hire for attitude not aptitude. Are they trying to get you,i.e. stump the chump? Anyone have any thoughts.
 
They do hire for attitude, and that's probably what got him canned. Coming to the training center with an "...well, that's not how we did it at Brand X..." attitude is the most serious threat to your surviving new-hire training & IOE. Some guys do wash-out for plain-old lousy flying abilities (but not before the company has provided a LOT of extra sims, IOE flights, etc. as needed). It's the furthest from stump the chump I've ever seen. If you've survived any other 121 or military training program and are reasonably current, you shouldn't have any issues....unless you're a know-it-all d*ckhead, then lookout.
 
I heard a story about a new hire dude who was a little older who got sent home after failing IOE. This is the second time I have heard of this happening. What gives with the training over there? Is it really that difficult. I heard they hire for attitude not aptitude. Are they trying to get you,i.e. stump the chump? Anyone have any thoughts.

There was a new hire in my JetBlue class who was let go after IOE. So, its probably more common than you think. I could ask the same question, what gives at JB.
 
I work for a smaller regional airline. Sometimes, there is a notion (here, at least) that a questionable apple can get through IOE and then they'll settle down and be OK after a few weeks of flying the line. These people usually have a good attitude, but don't have sharp cockpit skills. I can tell you that 3 out of 4 never become a true asset to the cockpit after 'doing a few weeks on the line.' No one will ever admit it, but when we were in need of filling seats, this notion was very prevelent and puts an unnecessarily large onus on the Captain. (The worst part was that some of the 'bad apples' would get passed around to diff't check airman till one signed them off. Great idea- not.)
 
We had one at Airtran. Older military guy with great attitude just couldn't get up to Part 121 quickturn speed. Everyone is a little behind for the first few months but there is a limit to what they will allow. I heard he had logged close to 100 hours of IOE with several check airman before they let him go.
 
They do hire for attitude, and that's probably what got him canned. Coming to the training center with an "...well, that's not how we did it at Brand X..." attitude is the most serious threat to your surviving new-hire training & IOE. Some guys do wash-out for plain-old lousy flying abilities (but not before the company has provided a LOT of extra sims, IOE flights, etc. as needed). It's the furthest from stump the chump I've ever seen. If you've survived any other 121 or military training program and are reasonably current, you shouldn't have any issues....unless you're a know-it-all d*ckhead, then lookout.


Thats what I suspected, and yes we have had this happen at JetBlue, but its rare.
 
They do hire for attitude, and that's probably what got him canned. Coming to the training center with an "...well, that's not how we did it at Brand X..." attitude is the most serious threat to your surviving new-hire training & IOE. Some guys do wash-out for plain-old lousy flying abilities (but not before the company has provided a LOT of extra sims, IOE flights, etc. as needed). It's the furthest from stump the chump I've ever seen. If you've survived any other 121 or military training program and are reasonably current, you shouldn't have any issues....unless you're a know-it-all d*ckhead, then lookout.

" Civilian puke.........heavy on the puke."
Are you embarrassed by your civilian background?
 
" Civilian puke.........heavy on the puke."
Are you embarrassed by your civilian background?

Nope...just a little self-deprecating humor, that's all. I got over myself a long time ago. :)
 

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