United posts $779 million loss

[Mr.B]

...which is the main reason why the only thing the military would let him fly is C130's.


PHXFLYR

So true...they probably recognized his superior analytical skills. Perfect management material.

 

[GuppyWN]

............ just wait till their hedges run out.

Gup

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Here's what I read into it: Midway should be closed to transport category and SWA ought to be banned from O'Hare AND any new Chicago airport for 25 years. That ought to make up for the WA..in Chicago!...then let's do the same in Dallas and Houston. Then let's see a chart and check in with the airline analysts on both SWA and UAL. How would that look?

How do you think your airline got so good? Great mgt alone didn't do it.

the Wright (Wrong) Amendment is GONE...no mo...adios bruh-tha...and it ain't coming back.

You say "Let's do the same in DAL and HOU" You and who else? How about, Let's see the look on your congressman's face when you take this one to his office.

Good luck with that. BTW, shouldn't there have been a Braniff connection here somewhere?

 

[IAHERJ]

Just had the opportunity to sit next to our former CEO last weekend to HNL and we talked for several hours(mostly about non airline related things). He said one interesting thing regarding SWA. He said that he sure is glad he is not running that place. He described it like this. "what would you do if you and I were in the simulator and I leveled the 767 off at 1,000 feet and ran the speed up through the red line then started climbing on the red line until we were going straight up. Then, as the speed bled off at a rapid rate and we were approaching a stall, I let go and say 'your airplane'." He says that is the position Gary is in being handed a company run by Herb for all these years with robust groth etc. and having all that come to a halt while you are in the CEO chair. Interesting take on the situation.

IAHERJ

 

[contrail67]

............ just wait till their hedges run out.

Gup

That will probably be a positive thing.

 

[Flopgut]

Red dog beat me to it about bailouts

RE: Bailouts. Some bailout money went to all of us. That was a small amount not worth discussing. The real money was the ATSB, and that was the bailout that never happened for UAL. Look guys, you shouldn't have to work for UAL (I do not BTW) to realize that being turned down TWICE for a loan after what they went through was wrong. Very wrong. If that had been darling SWA the ATSB would have given you everything you asked for. The first time!! It's a glaring disparity that should not exist.

 

[Flopgut]

the Wright (Wrong) Amendment is GONE...no mo...adios bruh-tha...and it ain't coming back.

Yes, it is gone. and you didn't win. Adios indeed.

 

[Flopgut]

Well you may not agree with me and some do and don't. This is a cut throat industry. If every airline does great and everyone made money, life would be great. Well the simple fact is that this is not the case. Some companies are going to beat others for one of them to succeed. There is no other way about it. I just want my team to win. Plain and simple. Call it callous, call it ignorant.... call it honest. If the shoes were changed I would be pissed just like you and you would ringing the bell like me. I just hope that never happens. The fact that this is not a personal thing...it is a business thing. We keep forgetting that.

I think I already know how you'll answer this, but I'll ask anyway: Would you rather lose a fair fight, or cheat a win? Personally, I would rather lose a fair fight. Because in that case it's perfectly clear why you have lost. I think it sucks to lose and have no idea why. I wouldn't wish it on anybody, frankly. Not even SWA. So to that end, the way you want to characterize things, you're going to end up losing and it will be ugly. You can't say it will never happen. "Never" is a long damm time my friend. It'll happen. This is the airline business. It will be ugly, you're going to squeal like a pig, and then claim you have no idea why things got so personal.

 

[boomlrd]

I just hope that when United fails, ALPA will make sure and have a National Seniority List in place so that all the pilots at United can move into other airlines with no QOL loss and displace others. I support that plan like age 65, it has been a real positive impact on my life financially.

 

[GuppyWN]

It will be ugly, you're going to squeal like a pig, and then claim you have no idea why things got so personal.

You mean like you are right now? Bring it baby. You're right. Forever is a long damn time and it must be getting old eating our dust. See you in Minnie.

ciao,
Gup

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Thing is that SWA owns most of their assets unlike the rest of us. Worst case is they go back to part of the fray, and core business model. They are not going anywhere anytime soon.
They either have to raise prices or deal with costs like every airline has. There is only so much savings that can be realized out of being efficient. I think from an operational efficiency standpoint that day has come and gone. We are all close to equal on that now.

 

[Flopgut]

You mean like you are right now? Bring it baby. You're right. Forever is a long damn time and it must be getting old eating our dust. See you in Minnie.

ciao,
Gup

Funny thing is: I'm in IAH, and we've not seen too much of you guys lately. What's up?

Don't act like that's going to be easy in MSP.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Have fun up there. It will give DAL a reason to pull out. (TIC)

 

[RedDogC130]

Funny thing is: I'm in IAH, and we've not seen too much of you guys lately. What's up?

Don't act like that's going to be easy in MSP.

Gee maybe it is because we don't fly there. You really are lost aren't you. It may not be easy but hopefully profitable.

 

[Flopgut]

Gee maybe it is because we don't fly there. You really are lost aren't you. It may not be easy but hopefully profitable.

My point is: You used to fly to IAH. Gup wants to act like he's going to go to MSP and clean my plow....

 

[Tanker Clown]

Gee maybe it is because we don't fly there. You really are lost aren't you. It may not be easy but hopefully profitable.

He's talking about IAH you retard. The place that SWA couldn't make a go of so they pulled out. You and Gup are truely grade a a$$holes. Gup is almost saying outloud that he wants to see UAL go under. What a pr!ck. My buddy says he uses the same screen name on another message board just for SWA guys and he loves talking up the demise of others over there as well.

I sure hope what goes around doesn't come around.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Or the fact that I was a Guard Baby and PICKED the C-130. PHXFLYR..you are an idiot

Someone who admitted to picking the C130 calling me an idiot ?? Boy is that rich......


PHXFLYR

 

[GuppyWN]

Funny thing is: I'm in IAH, and we've not seen too much of you guys lately. What's up?

Couldn't stand the smell.

Gup

 

[ATRCA]

Put a fork in them, they are done.

Is that Nicky or Danny?

 

[vikesfanIV]

Thing is that SWA owns most of their assets unlike the rest of us. Worst case is they go back to part of the fray, and core business model. They are not going anywhere anytime soon.
They either have to raise prices or deal with costs like every airline has. There is only so much savings that can be realized out of being efficient. I think from an operational efficiency standpoint that day has come and gone. We are all close to equal on that now.

There are still a few places to make significant savings. Autothrottles and RNP are probably the largest. While I was in training they said combined they would save us over $250 million a year in fuel costs (that was based on oil at $100).