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Most entry level type jobs only require a 4 yr degree in what ever!!! Then work your way up from there and from what people think there are alot of employers that like pilots since they have alot of work experience in a professional field with alot of multi tasking. The ability to get thru your ratings and get hired at an airline takes alot of hard work and determination a skill that employers WANT!!! It shows you can learn and be trained to be succesfull. I wouldnt sell anyone short on trying to find a job if you have a 4 yr degree.
 
Aviation degrees are the biggest scam around, perpetuated by money grubbing colleges like ERU. An Aviation degree and $3.00 will buy you a cup of coffee.
 
A few years ago in Chicago, I saw a ad in the classifieds for Six Flags Great America. Position was for a ride Technician. At the bottom in Bold letters it read, "A&P preferred".

Still, I think having a degree you would be marketable in something. Just find something you're interested in and give it a try. Afterall, the worst they can say is no.
 
My two cents

I realize the below is easy for me to write because I currently have a job, but I'd like to throw my two cents in.

First of all, I don't know about you guys, but I get annoyed when I read people post that you can either "fly airplanes or flip burgers for McDonalds or greet at Walmart." What a bunch of crap. The people that write that are either selling themselves short or perhaps are the few whose only skills would allow them to fill those types of jobs. I KNOW that doesn't apply to many of the pilots I come across.

Unfortunately at UAL, I have had the opportunity to fly with many jr. F/O's who found themselves on the street during furlough#1. For those who got non-flying jobs, they almost always ended up landing on their feet. Maybe not right away, but many were able to find non-aviation jobs that they were able to support their family on. You're a college educated professional. I don't care what your degree is. You were responsible for a multi-million dollar aircraft and the safekeeping of 10's of thousands of passengers. Unless the economy goes completely tit$ up, I bet most will find something.

But let's say you don't. You got a college degree before. Can you not get another one? Is there NOTHING else but aviation that interests you? I feel bad for you if you have no other interests. It's probably not going to take you 4 years to get another Bachelor's Degree, especially if you're young and just out of college. Have you looked at your local community college? The ones in my area charge $30/credit hour and have some Associate Degree programs that you can acutally make a living with AND have in your back pocket in case oil goes back to $200/bbl. some day and you find yourelf on the street.

How about a graduate degree? It may take you a couple of years to take the standardizing testing, to get into a program, and then to complete the degree. Maybe you can complete your education during these economic doldrums and perhaps be looking at a better economy 2 years down the road?

How are you going to pay for this? Does your State's unemployment benefits help pay for retraining? Have you heard of the Hope and Lifetime Learning Credits? Could you work any job just to pay tuition for a couple of years in order to obtain education or training that actually is in demand?

For those of us that currently have jobs.....I know many financial planners tell their clients to have 6 to 9 months of living expenses set aside in case you lose your job. For airline pilots, that's not nearly enough. We have a special profession that has unusual carrer path progressions. If an accountant loses his $60K/yr. job, chances are he'll be able to find a job that pays something resembling that figure within 6 to 9 months. If an airline pilot loses his $60K/year job, chances are he'll be making $20K/yr. when he starts over at his new airline OR will have to WALK AWAY FROM THIS CAREER, either for a few months, years, or permanently. Figure out what it is going to cost you to completely walk away or start over at 20K/yr. Have that figure set aside in cash. It's amazing how stress free your life will become when you have that figure sitting in a liquid account.

I think airline pilots have to always have the mindset that they may wake up one morning and their job is *poof* gone. This mindset should go with the profession just like Christmases in Cedar Rapids and proficiency checks. If you take the time to sit down, figure out what you would do if that really happened, and have a plan (and the cash) to execute that plan, I bet most airline guys would lead much less stressful lives. That money also makes for an ample strike fund should that day ever come in your career.

And for God's sake, stop disparaging your fellow pilots by reinforcing the ridiculous "walmart/McDonald's" stereotype.

RANT OVER.
 
Most entry level type jobs only require a 4 yr degree in what ever!!! Then work your way up from there and from what people think there are alot of employers that like pilots since they have alot of work experience in a professional field with alot of multi tasking. The ability to get thru your ratings and get hired at an airline takes alot of hard work and determination a skill that employers WANT!!! It shows you can learn and be trained to be succesfull. I wouldnt sell anyone short on trying to find a job if you have a 4 yr degree.

Not to mention that typically pilots do not have a problem making decisions. We do it all day long. Most employees in corporate America are afraid of making a decision because they might be held accountable.
 
How about a graduate degree? It may take you a couple of years to take the standardizing testing, to get into a program, and then to complete the degree. Maybe you can complete your education during these economic doldrums and perhaps be looking at a better economy 2 years down the road?


Heyas,

This is SO true. Most US universities are CROAKING for US citizens to enter math, science, engineering or related graduate programs.

Most PHd programs give you a full tution waiver, books, fees, medical and a stipend of 26-30k year.

Nu
 
Heyas,

This is SO true. Most US universities are CROAKING for US citizens to enter math, science, engineering or related graduate programs.

Most PHd programs give you a full tution waiver, books, fees, medical and a stipend of 26-30k year.

Nu

Most corporations will also pay for a graduate degree while you work.

There are so many ways to get more education for no cost/low cost.
 
Your first mistake was thinking you needed an aviation degree to be successful in aviation. Your second is thinking you need another degree to be successful in something else. Pick something you enjoy and just go do it. And yes, that is what I have done myself.
 
Most of us have the same thought.

Go to trade school and become a plumber or electrician. Then at least you could fix your own crapper or install surround sound for friends.

This is actually an excellent idea.

Plumbing, electrician, welding, auto-repair . . . all of these jobs are pretty portable, in demand, and pay decently. A/C repair is seasonal but very much in demand in certain parts of the country.
 
FYI to all:

Ualdriver makes some good points.

You would be surprised how people react to you knowing you can manage an aircraft.

After being furloughed once and looking down the gun of another furlough, I am pursuing my master's degree. I am a little different than most in that I have a bachelor's in accounting.

Let me tell all pilots. You have many skills. We multitask very well, we can listen, (even though we ignore passengers or FA that are driving us crazy), we take directions well, decision making is not a problem and learning new information fast is not a problem. We are also use to last minute changes and do not go crazy over this.

Pilots are a unique group. I tell everyone this. Sometimes are worst enemy is ourselves. Plus we don't really like be managed. We like to go out do our jobs and be let alone.

Good luck to all that are either changing career by choice or because this crazy industry makes. Just remember do sell yourself short. Their are many things we can do.
 
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I know numerous people that are no longer in aviation that graduated with an aviation degree. You are selling yourself short if you think in the mindset of "I am a just a pilot that fly's an airplane from point A to B". Don't listen to the idiots on this board that probably have never had to try and find a job outside of aviation. If you want out, you are a very marketable individual, you just need to understand what your strengths are.

Good Luck![/quote

Riddle grad.
 
Heyas,

This is SO true. Most US universities are CROAKING for US citizens to enter math, science, engineering or related graduate programs.

Most PHd programs give you a full tution waiver, books, fees, medical and a stipend of 26-30k year.

Nu

Hey, how about some more info on this. Specifically, which universities and programs. Just asking for... um... a friend :)

CE
 
Hey, how about some more info on this. Specifically, which universities and programs. Just asking for... um... a friend :)

CE

Heyas CE,

Here is the gouge for your, uh, buddy...

If you are REALLY interested in this track, you have to have an undergrad degree in math, science, engineering, or something along those lines (something ITish also works). You also have to have had fairly decent grades...>3.2

If you didn't, all is not lost, but it will take some money out of pocket. Additionally, if you want to go into a grad program that your undergrad wasn't specifically in, you might need to take a few pre-recs first.

In either case, you can take some undergrad classes to play catch up. This can be done any local 4th tier college (someplace just a step above the local community college).

Once done, you need to take the GRE. You need to score at least 1100, but 1200+ would be better.

Almost ANY 4 year university needs PhD students, like yesterday. Find something you are interested in, and order up some material from schools you might want to go to. You'd be very surprised at the reception you get.

PM me for more details.

Nu
 
To the OP- start at the base of a company you want to work for. Go like hell. You'll see quickly you're better than everyone else. Get promoted. Repeat. Get promoted again.

I always had a hand in my second career while I was at Skyway, just in case. Last April, when I realized I would be going nowhere for the next 5 years, I bailed for my current job. I started at the bottom, but I let my intentions known to management, and delivered every time. First promotion in four months, six for the second. Many companies really don't understand the aviation thing. You just have to sell your decision making and 'team' skills. If you are a quick study, you can do anything with your degree. You just might have to start at a lower paying position to get that chance.
 
I know numerous people that are no longer in aviation that graduated with an aviation degree. You are selling yourself short if you think in the mindset of "I am a just a pilot that fly's an airplane from point A to B". Don't listen to the idiots on this board that probably have never had to try and find a job outside of aviation. If you want out, you are a very marketable individual, you just need to understand what your strengths are.

Good Luck!

I don't know, I've been seriously trying for months now to get out, with my aviation management degree, and I'm getting nowhere. Now I'm sure the economy isn't helping, but the reality of my situation is that I'm being told my degree isn't worth crap, especially given my narrow field of experience, limited mostly to aviation and flying.

This isn't for a lack of trying, I'm trying for all kinds of jobs - and here's the bad part - most don't pay all that well, and I'm still getting stonewalled. In each case, either my degree isn't recognized as being worth anything, and/or my lack of experience outside this field is hurting me big time.

I've come to the conclusion that I either need to get another degree in something useful, or use what I have as a basis of working towards an advanced degree, neither of which I really wanted to do. So for now, I'm mainly looking for a job which will allow me a schedule to go back to school.

Thanks for the encouraging posts though. I'm finding it very difficult to transition out of this world, and it's good to hear that some have done well in doing so.
 
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For what it's worth, I'm in the process of making the transition from aviation to business. I will complete my MBA this December and have had great luck in leveraging my flying background to the business world. It simply takes communicating the valuable skills we as pilots have to prospective employers. Pilots have a lot to offer that is difficult for employers to find in applicants from other backgrounds.
 
For what it's worth, I'm in the process of making the transition from aviation to business. I will complete my MBA this December and have had great luck in leveraging my flying background to the business world. It simply takes communicating the valuable skills we as pilots have to prospective employers. Pilots have a lot to offer that is difficult for employers to find in applicants from other backgrounds.

congratulations, and good luck to you.
 
About three years ago I was looking into the tech schools at welding certification.

I have a 1988 BA in Lib. Arts. Was considering grad school, but flying and going to school don't go well together, particularly when you commute into bad schedules. I was also looking to recoup income lost rather quickly, and not sell my house. I was also looking to work for myself, and not for "the man." The tech school I was looking at took 9 mos. 4 days/wk. 3 or 4 hours/day.

Welders can make $70K plus within a couple of years, assuming they're not morons and have all the certs.

Luckily, I had put quite a bit of money in savings before ATA shut down. My wife found a job within 3 mos. I took another mo. Both are 50% paycuts. (Was going to be about 3 mos. but it fell through.) My present position is unsat, but it's given me some breathing room.

There are other careers out there. I all depends on what you're willing to give up to do it.

The hardest I've ever worked was while being unemployed and looking for work.
 
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