2D cell flashlight equivalent

[idleclamp]

I did a search on this subject, but didn't come up with anything, even though I'm sure it's been discussed.

Has anybody found in writing what is 'equivalent' to a 2D cell flashlight? Not what you've heard or what you think, but something in writing that a person could show the FAA and and say "my flashlight is compliant".

Thanks.

 

[j41driver]

Our POI has decided that we can't carry anything except a 2 D-cell flashlight since he can't seem to figure out what is equivalent either.

Good luck.

 

[regionaltard]

Our POI has decided that we can't carry anything except a 2 D-cell flashlight since he can't seem to figure out what is equivalent either.

Good luck.

Hmm, maybe a quick peek at the business end of a Surefire 6P would help him figure it out. It puts out 80 lumens, more than twice what's claimed for a 2 D cell Maglite. That information is readily available-sounds like a fed that just likes being a tool.

 

[navigatro]

Any flashlight that vibrates or doubles as a stun gun should be acceptable.

 

[Max Q]

Fenix TK-11 225 Lumins
https://www.fenix-store.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_85&products_id=497

I would enjoy watching an FAA agent try to compare my TK-11 to any Mag.

 

[j41driver]

That information is readily available-sounds like a fed that just likes being a tool.

Oh, he's definately a tool.

 

[Cornelius]

I haven't seen it in writing but during OE in the bus, the captain told me it had to be powerful enough to illuminate the wing tips. I don't know if their theory is to see the longest distance from any vantage point, but it wouldn't make since if you are flying an MD-80 cuz I don't think you can see the wing tips from the flightdeck.

 

[learherkjay]

I believe the 2D requirement is not for illumination power, but for lasting power. The D cells provide enough juice to last 30 minutes in the event of an electrical out at night. Not sure how long "equivalents" stay powered.

 

[regionaltard]

I believe the 2D requirement is not for illumination power, but for lasting power. The D cells provide enough juice to last 30 minutes in the event of an electrical out at night. Not sure how long "equivalents" stay powered.

The Surefire is good for 11 hours at full rated brightness. Definitely enough juice to weld Barney Fed's eyes permanently closed.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Just tell your fed that you have it on good authority (me, FI.com) that 2-D equivelancy is based solely on weight. Hence, I have my flashlight stuffed with bologna. There's a damned flashlight on the flightdeck if I need one in an emergency, but there's no emergency food, for Pete's sake. A man's got to have his priorities.

 

[navigatro]

Thickness is more important than length.

 

[Wino]

Thickness is more important than length.

Okay, you just got a new callsign.

you are now branded "STUBBY"

Cheers
Wino

 

[Bringupthebird]

Has anybody found in writing what is 'equivalent' to a 2D cell flashlight?
Thanks.

The sun.

If this is the hill you want to battle the FAA over, you might want to reconsider.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Fenix TK-11 225 Lumins
https://www.fenix-store.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_85&products_id=497

I would enjoy watching an FAA agent try to compare my TK-11 to any Mag.

I use the P3D

https://www.fenix-store.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_65&products_id=603

Just don't use it near dry brush :nuts:

CE

 

[twott driver]

Thickness is more important than length.

It's nay the length nor the breadth that counts, it's the squirt..........

 

[Cardinal]

Just ask your friendly Fed which light he'd rather have stuck in his face. A dull maglite or the built-to-blind SureFires and the like.

 

[idleclamp]

Just ask your friendly Fed which light he'd rather have stuck in his face. A dull maglite or the built-to-blind SureFires and the like.

The problem is getting ramped by somebody other than our POI. That's why I was looking for some kind of written comparison. And I'm pretty sure that it has to do with how long the batteries last and not how bright.

I want to carry a Surefire, but won't replace my maglite until I can find something.

 

[tblosser]

I want to carry a Surefire, but won't replace my maglite until I can find something.[/quote]


Don't get the A2 aviator. The LED is not bright enough and because of the LEDs in the reflector the xenon is not bright enough. Check out the Z2 LED.

 

[idleclamp]

Okay, if anybody is interested, I did some research and this is what I came up with.

From Maglite's website, a 2D cell flashlight puts out up to 16,200 candlepower, up to 36.5 lumens, and a continuous run-time of 9-10 hours.

A Surefire Z2 puts out 80 lumens and has a run-time of 11 hours. That sounds equivalent to me.

 

[Dizel8]

It's nay the length nor the breadth that counts, it's the squirt..........

Your Delta Kappa Kappa FI name shall forthwith be: "Squirter!"

 

[erj-145mech]

That sounds equivalent to me.

The only problem with your statement is that you are not qualified to make that determination.
As was stated before, is this one battle that you want to take on?

 

[mushroom]

Just out of curiosity, do the planes you fly not have flashlights provided within them (i.e. attached in some way to the plane at each pilot's station)? I guess some do and some don't... anyway, the "2 D-cell equivalent" only seems to apply to "flying equipment required" in Part 91, (FAR 91.503(a)(1)) and thus to the flashlights provided for you within the plane. Part 121 only references a "flashlight in good working order" and does not specify a cell size (121.549(b)). So unless your ops specs require D-cells or equivalent, I don't know why you would carry one.

I carry a Surefire A2 and it's brighter than hell, and no FAA guy or girl has ever given me a problem about it when I have been ramped. Only occasionally have they ever even wanted to see that I had a flashlight in my flight bag. I don't think any of them has ever asked me to turn it on.

 

[rickair7777]

Just out of curiosity, do the planes you fly not have flashlights provided within them (i.e. attached in some way to the plane at each pilot's station)? I guess some do and some don't... anyway, the "2 D-cell equivalent" only seems to apply to "flying equipment required" in Part 91, (FAR 91.503(a)(1)) and thus to the flashlights provided for you within the plane. Part 121 only references a "flashlight in good working order" and does not specify a cell size (that I can find, anyway). So unless your ops specs require D-cells or equivalent, I don't know why you would carry one.

I carry a Surefire A2 and it's brighter than hell, and no FAA guy or girl has ever given me a problem about it when I have been ramped. Only occasionally have they ever even wanted to see that I had a flashlight in my flight bag. I don't think any of them has ever asked me to turn it on.

I think they got rid of the D-Cell requirement in 121, since we have permanent flashlights in the airplane.

We have to carry our own to make sure we don't use the installed units for walk-arounds, etc.

 

[bluestreaking]

Don't waste your money on Surefire! This is where I buy my flashlights:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14899

They have plenty of lights that are over 200 lumens and for 1/4 the price of a Surefire. They blow away my 4D Mag, and they're much lighter and smaller. I like the ones that use the lithium batteries.

 

[mushroom]

Looks decent, but also unfortunately made in China

At least the Surefires are still made in the U.S. (I think).

Here's a link from someone who did WAY too much research about those flashlights and where they are manufactured:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2508810&postcount=125

 

[Max Q]

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14899

1-1.5 hours on an 18650 Li-ion battery?

EDIT: N/m. Reading comprehension > me

-Brett

 

[CF34-3B1]

http://www.brightguy.com/

 

[CheapFlyer]

I use the same, lights the tail up of the 737 no problem. These new generation LED's have great throw.

I use the P3D

https://www.fenix-store.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_65&products_id=603

CE

 

[Booker]

Just out of curiosity, do the planes you fly not have flashlights provided within them (i.e. attached in some way to the plane at each pilot's station)?

Where I work, using the aircraft flashlights for walk around inspections is verboten; we must carry and use our own. The idea, I'm told, is to keep the aircraft flashlights fully charged at all times. Also, I just went through recurrent brainwashing class, and it was explained that the D-cell requirement is not applicable, because it is not listed in our OpSpecs.

 

[tblosser]

Where I work, using the aircraft flashlights for walk around inspections is verboten; we must carry and use our own. The idea, I'm told, is to keep the aircraft flashlights fully charged at all times. Also, I just went through recurrent brainwashing class, and it was explained that the D-cell requirement is not applicable, because it is not listed in our OpSpecs.

We no longer have the D-cell requirement either...we just have to carry two working flashlights.