Question for ASA guys concerning operation HAVCO

[Windsor]

Does anyone have any background information on how you guys got operation havco running? Right around this time last year, you guys put on an impressive display of safe flying. It is 9E's turn to learn the way of the masters. I am looking for information on how you got the pilot group unified enough to do it. If you don't want to post publicly, PM's are welcome. Its about time Pinnacle pilots start flying safer and I'm looking to help get something started.

 

[ohplease!]

Does anyone have any background information on how you guys got operation havco running? Right around this time last year, you guys put on an impressive display of safe flying. It is 9E's turn to learn the way of the masters. I am looking for information on how you got the pilot group unified enough to do it. If you don't want to post publicly, PM's are welcome. Its about time Pinnacle pilots start flying safer and I'm looking to help get something started.

you'll never get it done. sorry. Too many kids from third world countries with SJS.

 

[OCP]

You'll get a good list of things to keep the RJ safe in this, but the biggest part is having all the FOs find these things and report them to the CA, and have the CAs write these things up. Out station or not. If you all don't play along, then nothing will really get done. Oh and make sure you taxi at a safe speed. CAs discretion.

 

[AuburnRedneck9]

Well for starters it rests with the captain so ohplease is an idiot, make sure the walk around is complete. I'd make sure that everything inside and outside the aircraft is working correctly, illuminated and or legible. And if you follow the rules no one can say a word to you, the key is not to be lazy and know the rules really really well before you become the legal eagle.

 

[Beergut]

What on earth are you guys talking about?

 

[jeroom]

What on earth are you guys talking about?

Go back to sleep

 

[Windsor]

I get the "how" as to the aircraft and what to do, its the pilot group I'm most concerned with. How did you guys get everyone on board with the operation? What did the guys who organized things do to get things rolling?

 

[jeroom]

nevermind

 

[SiuDude]

I get the "how" as to the aircraft and what to do, its the pilot group I'm most concerned with. How did you guys get everyone on board with the operation? What did the guys who organized things do to get things rolling?

Nice try Bryan.

 

[Beergut]

I get the "how" as to the aircraft and what to do, its the pilot group I'm most concerned with. How did you guys get everyone on board with the operation? What did the guys who organized things do to get things rolling?

I still don't know what you're talking about. Organized? ASA pilots are just concerned for their passengers and want to reassure themselves and the flying public that ASA aircraft are 100% safe from the nose to the tail.

 

[Redan]

I get the "how" as to the aircraft and what to do, its the pilot group I'm most concerned with. How did you guys get everyone on board with the operation? What did the guys who organized things do to get things rolling?

Thank God I'm a secret agent man.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I think it all started with the memo about the three options. I don't remember the exact wording of the options but it was something along the lines of:

#1 take a pay cut and get growth/survive
#2 hold out for your demands and lose flying/go under
#3 keep stalling and lose flying/go under

I think we decided that if our company could not stay in business at the current pay rates, then it DESERVED to go under. I for one, got to the point where I didn't care if we went out of business. I was not going to take a cut.


We chose unpublished option #4 We decided that our passengers deserved to experience the safest regional in the world.

 

[Redan]

I think it all started with the memo about the three options. I don't remember the exact wording of the options but it was something along the lines of:

#1 take a pay cut and get growth/survive
#2 hold out for your demands and lose flying/go under
#3 keep stalling and lose flying/go under

I think we decided that if our company could not stay in business at the current pay rates, then it DESERVED to go under. I for one, got to the point where I didn't care if we went out of business. I was not going to take a cut.


We chose unpublished option #4 We decided that our passengers deserved to experience the safest regional in the world.

Well said.

 

[Metro752]

So ASA thinks its operation is safer than every other regional.

My what high opinions you hold of yourselves.

 

[COOPERVANE]

So ASA thinks its operation is safer than every other regional.

My what high opinions you hold of yourselves.

Well...yes!! FOR A TIME we were the safest regional in the world. I'm not claiming that now.

If no airplanes leave the gate you will have quite an impressive safety record!!

 

[SilverandSore]

So ASA thinks its operation is safer than every other regional.

My what high opinions you hold of yourselves.

Someone missed the meaning of this thread...

 

[spudskier]

So ASA thinks its operation is safer than every other regional.

My what high opinions you hold of yourselves.

Not the brightest bulb in the box are ya... few sandwiches short of a picnic? few bricks short of a house? Few placards short of being airworthy?

 

[atlcrashpad]

Der wern't no Operation Havoc......
Whatchew talkin' bout Willis?
Yeahhhhhhhhh Bouyyyyyyyyyy......

 

[Metro752]

Not the brightest bulb in the box are ya... few sandwiches short of a picnic? few bricks short of a house? Few placards short of being airworthy?

Dude spud, I guess I didn't understand what all this crap meant. Comments not directed at the fine pilots such as yourself at ASA.

 

[spudskier]

Dude spud, I guess I didn't understand what all this crap meant. Comments not directed at the fine pilots such as yourself at ASA.

Hmmm sounded like it was directed DIRECTLY at fine pilots... no worries.

bygones

ASA has it's moldy spots and/or bad seeds like any other group of people but proud to be part of it. Lot of good people working very hard and flying safely everyday thanks in part to a top notch training department.

 

[XPOO]

Did the original poster actually mean Operation: Uncle Rico?

 

[ke4akj1976]

taxi speed motivates pilot group

Our POH restricted our taxi speed to less than 15 knots. You can use your GPS groundspeed to determine if your getting close to that. If you are the leader of the pack then everyone taxis at a safe speed. I look at it as helping other pilots stay safe.

 

[Windsor]

Did the original poster actually mean Operation: Uncle Rico?

I dont know what it was called. I just went off this old thread.

 

[ASAFOE120]

Well it seems to me that it kind of began with a couple of things happening right about the same time that really put a burr under everyones saddle.

First, we had gone a couple of months with the company, the mediator, and our cnc not even getting together. Then they schedule 5 days in a row for negotiations to hammer things out.

I believe it was about day 2 or 3 in negotiations that the mediator sent everyone home and another dissapointing email was dispatched to the pilots from the cnc. And on that same day, big D dropped the hammer on us announcing that they were dropping our travel priority to just above a buddy pass and going to make us pay to ride on their aircraft AND that delta nonrevs would have a higher priority on ASA planes than ASA people would. I think that was kind of the final straw for this pilot group.

So the perfect storm kind of formed all at once!

Oh, and during the time of our negotiations, we had:

2 base closing,
our 900's go to skyw,
4 of our 700's go to skyw,
a round of downgrades


Good luck to yall!

 

[Papa Woody]

Our POH restricted our taxi speed to less than 15 knots.

8 knots if PIC less than 100 hrs in type
5 knots if wet taxiway
3 knots if controller is a ******************************bag
2 knots if F/A is gay
1 knot if Delta 767 is behind you
1/2 knot if he says anything

 

[Stifler's Mom]

8 knots if PIC less than 100 hrs in type
5 knots if wet taxiway
3 knots if controller is a ******************************bag
2 knots if F/A is gay
1 knot if Delta 767 is behind you
1/2 knot if he says anything

HA ha ha. You had me.

I read the first one, and was "Oh really? I didn't know that."

#2, "Must be part of the revised OM again. Need to read up on that stuff."

#3, "Ahhh, it's a joke. Dumbass"

:beer:

 

[Flyprdu]

Nice try Bryan.

Don't be a d*uche. Oops, too late.

 

[asa rat]

1 knot if Delta 767 is behind you

1/2 knot if he says anything

LMFAO !!!!

 

[Redan]

I get the "how" as to the aircraft and what to do, its the pilot group I'm most concerned with. How did you guys get everyone on board with the operation? What did the guys who organized things do to get things rolling?

Okay, guess we should go ahead and tell you. Havco was a product of the inspirational leadership of our former President, Mr Byryan LeBozoazz. Mr Lebozoazz is the author of the best selling book "The Idiot's Guide to Airline Management," essential reading for the busy executive who wakes up one day to find that, somehow, he's now in charge of an airline. Notable topics covered in the book: "How to dazzle and befuddle your pilot group through the use of meaningless graphs and charts." Also: "Keeping a finger on the pulse of your operation through an annual trek over to airside."

Currently, Mr Lebozoazz is taking much needed training in how to fib credibly. When he's not spending time with his family, (which is most of the time) he keeps in touch with his former pilots by posting on certain aviation web boards.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Exactly. If you read the title of the original thread, you'll see that it's titled "Operation Havco". It was all about Have Company. Nothing at all to do with the airport.