Nationwide groundstop

[SiuDude]

Well, kind of.
No one is able to get clearances according to CNN. The Atlanta NADIN is down, leaving Salt Lake to pick up the slack. No one is taking off on the east coast.

 

[Flybywire44]

Damn! We cold be over-block'in right now, but instead we're posting on these stupid boards.

 

[SiuDude]

Sounds like Deja Vu:

http://www.itcinstitute.com/display.aspx?id=3703

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

Wewh......got off outbound ground at ORD just before the system went down. Thank god I am not working tonight. This happened about 4 months ago one day at ORD, I'm sure some of you my remember getting parked all over the place, the Scenic Pad, and the 10 pad were full as we all scrambled to re input the flightplans manually. Needless to say we did what we could but was told on the way out of the tower today by our TMC that the FAA was discouraging this practice this time due to the dispatchers and controllers both inputing a flight plan for the same plane thus two flightplans = two beacon codes and conflicting routes which will only bog the computers down even more. I guess the best way to resolve this problem is to just let the computers reset and hopefully we will get caught up for tommorrow. I have the early shift and we all know it will take a day or two for everyone to get caught up. If your flying tonight be patient with us controllers, it isn't our fault.

 

[Soverytired]

Holy S!

I swear to god, everyone in upper FAA management needs to be held criminally liable when stuff like this goes down. They're AT LEAST 20 years behind their much touted ATC upgrades; talk about massive incompetence and non-accountability. This includes both high-level appointees and the congressmen who ignore this growing problem.

How many millions of dollars are wasted, and how many passengers travel plans are ruined when this crap happens all-too-often?

 

[Poahi]

Let's see,

1. Government isn't helping with lowering fuel prices.

2. The FAA is no help along with Congress in upgrading our national airspace system.

3. They have the TSA going around citing airlines, making them responsible to do their job and breaking airplanes.

4. They cause the airline system to shut down because they failed to plan.

You would think this would be enough to get Congress to get these guys to act.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

Just reading the up to the minute news about this on CNN.Com. A quote from the article
Mark Biello, a CNN photographer sitting on a delayed flight at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport in Atlanta Tuesday afternoon, said flights there were being cleared for takeoff one at a time.

One at a time....Isn't that the point, to clear one for take off at a time...I know what the point was but this just sounded stupid.

 

[southernpilot]

It sounds stupid because it is CNN.
SP

Just reading the up to the minute news about this on CNN.Com. A quote from the article
Mark Biello, a CNN photographer sitting on a delayed flight at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport in Atlanta Tuesday afternoon, said flights there were being cleared for takeoff one at a time.

One at a time....Isn't that the point, to clear one for take off at a time...I know what the point was but this just sounded stupid.

 

[Poahi]

CNN is also reporting 'severe' delays of 30-45 minutes.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

this happened in ATL this past thursday. No one at Air Tran, Delta, or ASA could get clearance. Somehow, the other companies could.

 

[DX Rick]

Let's see,

1. Government isn't helping with lowering fuel prices.

2. The FAA is no help along with Congress in upgrading our national airspace system.

3. They have the TSA going around citing airlines, making them responsible to do their job and breaking airplanes.

4. They cause the airline system to shut down because they failed to plan.

You would think this would be enough to get Congress to get these guys to act.

Hey Chief!
Let's take it easy on congress. They've got thier handful with baseball and steroids, the REAL problem with America!

 

[DX Rick]

It sounds stupid because it is CNN.
SP

CNN on the AA 757 with smoke in the cabin

It's the tactical version of the 757 because it has winglets

 

[ehaecker]

One step closer to user fees for GA...

 

[Soverytired]

CNN is also reporting 'severe' delays of 30-45 minutes.

Hah hah! I'd kill for an AVERAGE delay out of JFK of that length.

Seriously though, the FAA website is listing numerous east coast airports as 2 hours +.

You government at work. Lets let them do even more!

 

[Poahi]

Hah hah! I'd kill for an AVERAGE delay out of JFK of that length.

Don't worry, Miles Obrien is all over it. Remember, he's a limo driver (I mean pilot).

He did say he tried to file a GA flight plan and mentioned that the FAA probably wouldn't appreicate it.

 

[Goose Egg]

CNN is an idiot.

-Goose

 

[N1VIBS]

Well, kind of.
No one is able to get clearances according to CNN. The Atlanta NADIN is down, leaving Salt Lake to pick up the slack. No one is taking off on the east coast.

I probably should know this (along with many other things), but what does NADIN stand for? I've never heard of it.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

I probably should know this (along with many other things), but what does NADIN stand for? I've never heard of it.

National Air Data Interchange Network

 

[N1VIBS]

National Air Data Interchange Network

Thanks

 

[JoeMerchant]

....now why again does anyone want more Federal Govt?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

....now why again does anyone want more Federal Govt?

Because change is good. [/sarcasm]

 

[CA1900]

....now why again does anyone want more Federal Govt?

Let's look at Lockheed Martin as a shining example of what happens when we outsource an ATC function to the lowest bidder. It took me 30 minutes and four f---ing phone calls to get a clearance last week, as I was bounced from facility to facility, each one more incompetent than the last.

 

[LearLove]

was in clt with no pdc when i called for our clearance. was told I was #4 and they (clt atc) put us in the system. no delay for us - got right out. lucky day i guess.

this has happened before and will happen again.

who was the piedmont that asked for a tower enroute from clt to sby? A 400nm tower enroute, thats alot of towers.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

With all the airlines shrinking and some even disappearing, notice the # of inspectors per airline is increasing?

SWA gets fined millions, TSA is going after Eagle after getting embarrassed and caught damaging their airplanes to gain entry...

The government is going to fine itself out of aviation. Deregulation is around the corner and it will be the 1970's again, which will make it so damn expensive that only the rich will fly again, and more airlines will disappear.

It isn't CNN that's the idiot, it's our government. They are self-destructing the airline business, which will cost them the jobs they are trying to save by putting insane amounts of inspectors on the airlines.

Airline safety has never been higher. They should lay off the extra inspectors and spend that money on the ATC system, which IS important.

Bah!

 

[SiuDude]

Deregulation is around the corner and it will be the 1970's again, which will make it so damn expensive that only the rich will fly again, and more airlines will disappear.

We landed on the moon? No way!

 

[Sig]

who was the piedmont that asked for a tower enroute from clt to sby? A 400nm tower enroute, thats alot of towers.

Heh....

Remember when a ZDC sector freq went down, and all departures northish were getting 4 hour delays? About a year ago?

A TEC is valid out of Charlotte at or below 11,000. It isn't nearly so easy beyond PHL because ZNY is so low up there.

Works like a charm.

It is only 300ish miles on the routing.

Another great trick on the short routes into Philly to avoid ZNYSWAP when the effing weather is clear is VFR. Best I've done is SWF to PHL, cleared direct Eskoe at 9500. Did it in 28 minutes, I think?

 

[LearLove]

used to do tower enroute from iad-phl, bwi-phl, swf-phl and isp-phl.

when its smooth the low route (along the del river) in and out of swf is good too.

 

[pilotjc]

:laugh:

http://townhall.com/funnies/cartoonist/LarryWright/2008/08/1