Nwa Hiring

[IXLR8]

If it helps, Delta just merged in 5500 pilots who are willing to fight when it comes to management.

OUCH!!! Good one!

 

[General Lee]

OUCH!!! Good one!

That's true, and if Lee Moak does turn into Lee Choak, then we will elect Stevens to represent all of us.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Has everyone forgotten the fact that DAL had a tremendous amount of pilots retire early?

I hear a lot of junior DAL guys complaining that it is a windfall for NWA pilots. We at NWA didn't have a mass retirement like you did. Without the mass retirements, many of the junior pilots would not even be on property!

If we were to take MY DOH and integrate it into the DAL seniority list, I would be a 767-4ER first officer blockholder in LAX. If you can see by my position at NWA, I am nowhere near/close to a comparable position on the NWA side.

Just a little refresher.

I am really looking forward to the merger. I think things are off to a great start and I think things will be more synergistic than the naysayers believe. I am not entitled to the 767-4ER seat. That will be arbitrated and I will live with the outcome. I don't expect a windfall, nor should the DAL guys because of their "sacrafice."

Life is too short to worry about what other people got. Hate to keep banging that drum but don't most of you agree?

We do not have an LAX 764ER base. We used to though. We have a 757/767ER base there, a domestic 757/767 base, and a 73N base. And one more thing, just remember that some of you guys will get that raise (20%) and then bid larger aircraft in ATL or LAX, and add even more money, even though, as you said, you cannot hold a widebody at your current seniority at your airline. Your raise could be more like 40 or 50%. Not bad at all..... Regardless, WELCOME to the group.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DTW320]

We do not have an LAX 764ER base. We used to though. We have a 757/767ER base there, a domestic 757/767 base, and a 73N base. And one more thing, just remember that some of you guys will get that raise (20%) and then bid larger aircraft in ATL or LAX, and add even more money, even though, as you said, you cannot hold a widebody at your current seniority at your airline. Your raise could be more like 40 or 50%. Not bad at all..... Regardless, WELCOME to the group.

Bye Bye--General Lee

20%???

Highest raise at NWA under the JPWA is A330 FO at 12.25%. Every other category is a lesser % raise, even before factoring in higher medical, loss of over 80 premium,lower reserve guarantee, etc.

As for bidding larger a/c in ATL or LAX, do you know something about the SLI that we don't? If so, please share it.

 

[JAM-BRO]

DUDES

WTF????? This is a thread about 'possible' hiring at NWA, not a dick measuring contest.... GIVE IT A FüKIN REST NOW you stupid monkeys.....

What I would like to know is how many newhires go along with the rumor.... I got friends who are interested in joining the NEW DELTA...
If anyone has any info on that, post it. If not, post your stupidity somewhere else...

 

[clippyrip]

OUCH!!! Good one!

I meant that NWA was ready to join with Delta and stand up to management as one group.

 

[FDJ2]

nevermind

 

[NuGuy]

nevermind

Heyas FDJ,

Smart move. In consideration of this, I won't re-post/comment on what you had up.

Nu

 

[FDJ2]

Heyas FDJ,

Smart move. In consideration of this, I won't re-post/comment on what you had up.

Nu

Oh please, spare me.

I was just commenting on all the whining going on prior to the JCBA about the DALPA contract being so lucrative and NALPA pilots being stuck on their self described "B" scale contract. Plenty of revisionism now though.

I'll furnish you the quotes from your own MEC Chairman commenting on the lucrative DALPA contract versus what he described as a B scale NALPA contract if you'd like.

Also, I'd much rather have 777s than 787 orders. The 777s pay more, are a proven production aircraft with firm deliveries scheduled this winter and most importantly they are on the ramp not on a future order book of an aircraft that hasn't flown yet.

Go ahead and comment all you like.

 

[General Lee]

20%???

Highest raise at NWA under the JPWA is A330 FO at 12.25%. Every other category is a lesser % raise, even before factoring in higher medical, loss of over 80 premium,lower reserve guarantee, etc.

As for bidding larger a/c in ATL or LAX, do you know something about the SLI that we don't? If so, please share it.

No, what I meant was you could bid ATL or LAX and fly something LARGER than you are flying now (hey, we have newhires in 767ERs), and get an EXTRA raise ontop of the 10% raise or whatever.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Fly4hire]

I'll furnish you the quotes from your own MEC Chairman commenting on the lucrative DALPA contract versus what he described as a B scale NWALPA contract if you'd like.

He said that? Not surprised, although you guys probably hear more from our MEC Ch than we do.

I would like to see the quotes, and where/when they were said.

Thanx

 

[Noserider76]

Heyas FDJ,

Smart move. In consideration of this, I won't re-post/comment on what you had up.

Nu

Pretty hypocritical coming from a guy who can never "not" comment on anything. I read your stuff and just shake my head.

 

[FDJ2]

He said that? Not surprised, although you guys probably hear more from our MEC Ch than we do.

I would like to see the quotes, and where/when they were said.

Thanx

Here's just a few, you might want to review your own MEC's communications, a nifty video taped NALPA press conference in April and Dave Stevens Congresional testimony as well.

Ziplines 14 Apr 2008
“The point has already been made to us by Delta management that they already have a “B scale” at Northwest, and that they will need to maintain it by phasing in harmonized wages.”

http://crewroom.alpa.org/NWAMEC/Portals/379/Special%20ZIPLINES%202008-0414%20FINAL.pdf

Northwest's pilot's union has expressed the opinion that the deal has been structured around a lucrative contract for Delta pilots, and it was likely that they would suffer if parity was not exercised. This could result in simmering resentments in the work place.

"The labour discord that will result from the current structure of this merger is likely to overwhelm the potential economic positives. We will not tolerate being a B-scale airline due to an unfair contract," union president Dave Stevens said.

http://www.domain-b.com/aero/airlines/20080417_deal.html

Northwest's pilot's union claims the deal was structured around a new fat contract for Delta pilots and Northwest pilots will suffer, resulting in class warfare on the flight decks. "The labor discord that will result from the current structure of this merger is likely to overwhelm the potential economic positives. We will not tolerate being a B-scale airline due to an unfair contract," union president Dave Stevens said.

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Delta_Northwest_AirlinesMerger_FarFromDone_197677-1.html

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Courtesy of NWA management, we are faced with a new buzz word – ‘harmonization.’ This is another way of saying management isn’t offering NWA pilots pay parity for four years. There is nothing new here; this is effectively a re-run of Bob Crandall’s B-scale. This proposal is a serious roadblock to a new contract.[/font]

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=111727

 

[licorice]

Heyas Licorice,

Had your side done it's due dilligence, instead of having the mind set of "we're Delta", you COULD have enjoyed some of the benefits in the NWA contract.

Don't blame us if the little bit of money barely makes up for the loss in QoL items.

I mean, who the heck WANTS premium pay after 80 hours anyway. And who would WANT actual line pilots as instructors...I mean, they probably don't have anything to add over those retired guys or CFIs anyway. Family leave and ASAP? Who needs it? We're "Delta"!.

Puhlease...


Nu

Maybe I'm missing something here, but wasn't YOUR MEC involved in the negotiations for the JPWA? I was under the impression (maybe it was just a rumor) the NWA MEC was somehow, involved. When you saw that it was clearly inferior to your old contract did you not complain to your MEC? Didn't they have road shows? Did you not complain to them with the same inspired, detailed, impassioned vehemence which you have thus far reserved exclusively for "Delta" ears? I fear not, NewGuy....Your group overwhelmingly endorsed it with an EIGHTY-SIX PERCENT LANDSLIDE!! BTW, isn't that some kind of a record for you guys? Ironic, isn't it, NewGuy, that a member of the 40% of "NO" voters at DAL defends the contract to one of the 86% of "YES" voters at NWA? Now, since I voted it down I do admit I think it is somewhat of a "bad deal"...will you "own up" as reflected by your "yes" vote and admit it is "somewhat" of a "good deal"?....then our rhetoric will be consistent with our actions and we can just switch sides in this argument....and no one will notice!

 

[Flyer1015]

If some pilots on both sides are pis$ed off, then you know the SLI was done right.