MN crash

[Quimby]

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfo...n=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KACY

Hawker 800? shows a Hawker from ACY-OWA.

RIP.

 

[Superpilot92]

That article and the news is reporting it as a lear? 72 MPH wind gusts

RIP

http://www.eastcoastjets.com/gallery/fleet_large.html

 

[av8orboy]

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ECJ81/history/20080731/1140Z/KACY/KOWA

KOWA 311335Z AUTO 30036G55KT 2SM +TSRA SCT002 SCT014 BKN022 19/17 A2984 RMK AO2 VIS 1V5 P0022 LTG DSNT ALQDS

 

[G2T]

That's home. We had had a tornado warning not long before this and trees are down all over town with the power out. Not a good morning for flying. RIP.

 

[jonjuan]

CNN and CNBC says a Hawker

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/31/minnesota.crash/index.html
Of course every corporate jet is a Learjet to the media.

(CNN) -- At least seven people were reported dead in the crash Thursday of a plane in Owatonna, Minnesota, a Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman said.
The plane left Atlantic City, New Jersey, Thursday morning and crashed off runway 30 at Owatonna's Degner Regional Airport, FAA spokeswoman Elizabeth Cory said.
The plane, a Hawker 800 series, was filled with customers for Owatonna architectural glass manufacturer Viracon, CNN affiliate KARE reported.
It was not immediately clear if the plane was arriving at or departing from the airport, Cory said.

 

[On Your Six]

Looks like the Hawker belonged to East Coast Jets (according to Flightaware.com) if this is the same airplane (arriving from Atlantic City). Anyone know much about East Coast Jets?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ECJ81

This could be the actual airplane if I am looking at the correct website:

http://www.eastcoastjets.com/gallery/N818MV.html


RIP

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Checking the Flightaware tracklog the radar hit at 10:44am EDT plotted on Goolge Earth is about eight miles NW of the field on the extended centerline of runway 30. Altitude is 1700' and speed 135 kts.

Maybe a missed approach? The radar plots three more (probably coasting) targets each at 14,000' which seems unlikely.

The weather at the time wasn't as bad as it had been earlier, but it appears the winds had changed to a southerly direction. Also, 1720' is a circling approach altitude.

Approach plate RWY30

RIP

 

[say again]

Unbelievable. What a tragic few months it's been for the aviation community. RIP.

 

[BEfly]

Sad news indeed. RIP

 

[Limeyflyer]

RIP guys, I hope it wasn't a case of the clients bullying the pilots into flying through the weather.
Sad day for all involved.

 

[Fly91]

RIP guys, I hope it wasn't a case of the clients bullying the pilots into flying through the weather.
Sad day for all involved.

Either way, whether the clients were bullying them or not...pilots made a bad decision to land there......IF the weather was in fact that bad.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

RIP guys, I hope it wasn't a case of the clients bullying the pilots into flying through the weather.
Sad day for all involved.

clients bullying pilots?

 

[NCherches]

That article and the news is reporting it as a lear?

To the common news reporter every business jet is a LEARJET and every small piston airplain is a CESSNA...

 

[SLUF4]

http://static.cbslocal.com/station/...crash_liveairtrafficcontrolcommunications.mp3

ATC recording from the incident

 

[DOVPILOT]

Sad day for sure. RIP

http://www.eastcoastjets.com/pr7-31-08.htm

 

[Raskal]

Bad day, prayers for all the families involved. RIP

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Seems like it was a go-around that ended up in tragedy. That is, if eyewitness reports are to be trusted.

http://www.owatonna.com/news.php?viewStory=27786

 

[PilotswifeII]

RIP guys, I hope it wasn't a case of the clients bullying the pilots into flying through the weather.
Sad day for all involved.

It's true. You know in charter it's all about the "revenue." They want to go somewhere and they've got be there by a certain time--that's why they choose to charter jets. The company's dispatchers and schedulers will bend over backwards to promise the customer will get whatever they want--no matter what the risk. They don't care about the pilots. They want repeat customers. Not this time...

Sucks.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I'm not sure pilots are ever "bullied" into going anywhere, especially with corporate executives on board. Those types usually are conservative and know the risks.

On a different note, does anyone know if runway 30 is grooved? After a morning of nothing but heavy rain, I wonder if it had drained sufficiently. It's only 5500' and with a slight tailwind...

Also, does the Hawker 800 have reversers? I remember seeing one without them, just the lift dumping system.

RIP

 

[say again]

It's true. You know in charter it's all about the "revenue." They want to go somewhere and they've got be there by a certain time--that's why they choose to charter jets. The company's dispatchers and schedulers will bend over backwards to promise the customer will get whatever they want--no matter what the risk. They don't care about the pilots. They want repeat customers. Not this time...

Sucks.

They can promise the customer all they want, and I will do my best to get them that, but I have no problem relaying the fact that things just aren't going as planned. Done it before, and will certainly do it again when needed. If the company queries me on why, I will tell them exactly what I was thinking and how i came up with my decision. I've never been second guessed and have always had my companies support.