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dapilot

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Hi FA's, Im a Captain with a 121 airline and it would be nice that if FA's are jumpseating (even if its cabin only), to say hi to one of the crew members when they come onboard. You are crewmembers just like pilots - show ID, and jumpseat form to one of the crew members when you come on board as a courtesy for traveling for free (or nearly free). There is an airline out there (cough AA cough) where their airline training doesn't state this to them and they just casually stroll on board and have a seat. Pilots notice this and do not appreciate it.

However, I'm not saying all FA's do this - just from my experience, I have seen this happen on multiple flights.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought F/A's can non-rev, but not jumpseat. (as in cockpit, under FAR authority)

However, it is always polite to say hi to the crew in any case.
 
DaPilot:

How many AA fa's have you had really had on your "jumpseat" in your B1900 airliner?
 
midnight, we dont have a jumpset but the way any airline employee gets to fly on our airline for free is by filling out a JUMPSEAT FORM and following the protocol listed on the back of the form.

ps - i have personally taken a numerous amount of AA employees including entire crews from city to city and for the most part, they introduce themselves and present the form (as is required by the jumpseat form) and I welcome them with open arms and open seating for them. But there are still a few stuck-up crew members on various airlines that think small planes dont deserve the same respect as larger ones, and this post is addressed to those people.
 
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midnight, we dont have a jumpset but the way any airline employee gets to fly on our airline for free is by filling out a JUMPSEAT FORM and following the protocol listed on the back of the form.

ps - i have personally taken a numerous amount of AA employees including entire crews from city to city and for the most part, they introduce themselves and present the form (as is required by the jumpseat form) and I welcome them with open arms and open seating for them. But there are still a few stuck-up crew members on various airlines that think small planes dont deserve the same respect as larger ones, and this post is addressed to those people.



That is correct. You can only "non-rev" on your own airline and associated airlines (ie: comair/delta), but if you are trying to hitch on another airline, you list for the "jumpseat". Even if you get a seat in the back, if you are listed under the jumpseat, you still gotta introduce/ask/thank them. Everyone have a good beer! :beer:
 
I can understand some guys feeling slighted by the jumseaters not introducing themselves but personally, I don't want to be bothered by them actually. I frown upon passengers whether jumpseating or non-reving, coming into the cockpit. Just more people I don't want to talk to that I then am required to. Just my opinion.
 
That is correct. You can only "non-rev" on your own airline and associated airlines (ie: comair/delta),


Umm no. Ever heard of ID 90s. Dont have to be associated to buy 'em. Depends airline to airline.
 
I can understand some guys feeling slighted by the jumseaters not introducing themselves but personally, I don't want to be bothered by them actually. I frown upon passengers whether jumpseating or non-reving, coming into the cockpit. Just more people I don't want to talk to that I then am required to. Just my opinion.
It's not THAT much more work, or do you just not like people? (Not a shot at you BTW)
It might be a good idea to know they are there if you need them (unruly pax, etc). UAL 232....remember that one? Good thing the FA knew of the DC10 Instructor in the back!
 
not really true

I have personally put FA's in the cockpit JS for travel.
the Gom( fom for others) states that there are a list of people allowed. then at the end it basically state any one with the concurrence of the Captain and a member of Upper Management.
so when the time is need I whip out the cell phone make 2 calls get a fax sent to the gate and were out of there.
Why is it so hard for people to want to help others?
Or maybe the questions should be , why do we as pilots give up so quick when it time to helps others?
"Oh I am sorry your not on the list" good luck else
where. when One could say hey dave don't you have one of those buddy passes you never use for this guy.

It just irks me to see some pilots so self righteous.
give a fellow employee a hand. this industry is sticking it to us from all side, don't be one of the pr1ks.
 
It's not THAT much more work, or do you just not like people? (Not a shot at you BTW)
It might be a good idea to know they are there if you need them (unruly pax, etc). UAL 232....remember that one? Good thing the FA knew of the DC10 Instructor in the back!

No shot taken. And you are correct, I just don't like people!! Valid point about help in the back, but the FA should know who the jumpseaters and non revvers are if the need should arise.

vtwo said:
It just irks me to see some pilots so self righteous. give a fellow employee a hand. this industry is sticking it to us from all side, don't be one of the pr1ks.

Agreed! But don't forget our own airline unions as well (alpo) they have been screwing us for the last 7 years!
 
No shot taken. And you are correct, I just don't like people!! Valid point about help in the back, but the FA should know who the jumpseaters and non revvers are if the need should arise.

Fair enough. However, please know that you're desire for zero contact with j/s'ers and nonrevs is unique so please show due courtesy if a j/s'er is following standard etiquette and introduces him or herself.
 
Hi FA's, Im a Captain with a 121 airline and it would be nice that if FA's are jumpseating (even if its cabin only), to say hi to one of the crew members when they come onboard. You are crewmembers just like pilots - show ID, and jumpseat form to one of the crew members when you come on board as a courtesy for traveling for free (or nearly free). There is an airline out there (cough AA cough) where their airline training doesn't state this to them and they just casually stroll on board and have a seat. Pilots notice this and do not appreciate it.

However, I'm not saying all FA's do this - just from my experience, I have seen this happen on multiple flights.

You *************************. If they don't show the proper respect, just kick them off. ********************ing stewardesses think they run the show, nowadays.
 
Most of them don't even have their real teeth, anyway.
 
Hi!

Wouldn't the B1900 HAVE a jumpseat?

It is a required crew of 2, and if an FAA guy is doing a checkride, or a linecheck, there would need to be 3 spots in the cockpit???

cliff
YIP
 
Hi!

Wouldn't the B1900 HAVE a jumpseat?

It is a required crew of 2, and if an FAA guy is doing a checkride, or a linecheck, there would need to be 3 spots in the cockpit???

cliff
YIP

Nope. I have never seen a 19 seater that has a jumpseat. When I did my Fed ride in the Metro, he sat in seat 1A (which is behind the bulkhead) and was plugged into the comm panel. If he had any questions he would come to the cockpit kneel between the two seats.
 
I guess you get upset if people don't wave or say HELLO in the terminal, too?
I don't see how this really bothers anyone. Like PipeJockey, I'm all for being left alone. I really don't care who you are or who you fly for. Just sit down.
If you're in a pilots uniform, I'm sure the FA could figure out you're a pilot....I'd atleast hope she could.
 
It matters. The whole basis upon which the JS program has been sold is safety. How can a JS'er be a resource if the crew has no idea they're back there. Secondly it's a PIC perrogative, and he can't make that judgement if he never sees a soul. There's been a few illegal jumpseaters lately, you want them on your airplane? Lastly, a little respect; If I pick up a hitchhiker I darn well expect a little interaction and a personal thank you, even if it would have morally wrong to deny them a ride. (due to wx, heat whatever). Just because a "welcome aboard" can be expected should in no way cheapen the process.

What I can't figure out is why so many FAs are so bad at jumpseating. There is no workgroup in the world with a more upclose, day-to-day view of how the etiquette goes. Then they try it themselves and act like total clods. It befuddles me. Even when we are so fortunate to be acknowledged by the offline FA, usually it's a "I'm in the back." Well let it be written, let it be done, Moses. Or "I guess I have to show you this" in the valley girl accent, doing the badge thrust without bothering to remove it from the lanyard.

Then when ya call 'em on not dropping by the cockpit there's always a fascinating excuse: "I forgot," "What do you mean stop by?" "I had a long day," and my presonal favorite "you looked busy." Never in the history of airline aviation has a working flight attendant looked in the cockpit during the preflight phase and thought "they're too busy to....adjust the temperature, call for catering, call for cleaners, readjust the temperature, run for a gate check tag, run for a burger, yell at the agent, work a seat dupe, check on a dog, etc, etc" Middle of a brief, middle of a checklist, no FA has ever been stopped by such trivial obstacles. Yet suddenly as a jumpseater they become as demure as a young fawn, the cockpit is a busy and frantic place, and we certainly wouldn't want to interrupt such important goings on. W. T. F. The whole point of the preflight phase is the gathering and concentration of information peratining to the flight, of which Additional Crew Members (fascinating term) are a key part.

Paint By Numbers: "Hi I'm Suzie with AirCal and I'm looking for a ride home" Extend hand, prepare for handshake. Repeat as necessary until you find the captain, then repeat once more. Present Identification. Captain will say "Suzie Welcome Aboard!" Respond with "Oh, thank you guys so much" and this and future rides will be assured. Is it really like pulling teeth? Does it kill you to ask in a respectful fashion? Surely not. The preceding approach is guaranteed not to piss anybody off, and didn't even require a bribe.

Disclaimer: I have nothing against FAs, I like them very much, but this is my pet peeve. Obviously.
 
Hi FA's, Im a Captain with a 121 airline and it would be nice that if FA's are jumpseating (even if its cabin only), to say hi to one of the crew members when they come onboard. You are crewmembers just like pilots - show ID, and jumpseat form to one of the crew members when you come on board as a courtesy for traveling for free (or nearly free). There is an airline out there (cough AA cough) where their airline training doesn't state this to them and they just casually stroll on board and have a seat. Pilots notice this and do not appreciate it.

However, I'm not saying all FA's do this - just from my experience, I have seen this happen on multiple flights.

Get a Life!!! Its not 1960 anymore! Nobody cares anymore!!! do you like the bull******************** small talk???
 
It matters. The whole basis upon which the JS program has been sold is safety. How can a JS'er be a resource if the crew has no idea they're back there. Secondly it's a PIC perrogative, and he can't make that judgement if he never sees a soul. There's been a few illegal jumpseaters lately, you want them on your airplane? Lastly, a little respect; If I pick up a hitchhiker I darn well expect a little interaction and a personal thank you, even if it would have morally wrong to deny them a ride. (due to wx, heat whatever). Just because a "welcome aboard" can be expected should in no way cheapen the process.

What I can't figure out is why so many FAs are so bad at jumpseating. There is no workgroup in the world with a more upclose, day-to-day view of how the etiquette goes. Then they try it themselves and act like total clods. It befuddles me. Even when we are so fortunate to be acknowledged by the offline FA, usually it's a "I'm in the back." Well let it be written, let it be done, Moses. Or "I guess I have to show you this" in the valley girl accent, doing the badge thrust without bothering to remove it from the lanyard.

Then when ya call 'em on not dropping by the cockpit there's always a fascinating excuse: "I forgot," "What do you mean stop by?" "I had a long day," and my presonal favorite "you looked busy." Never in the history of airline aviation has a working flight attendant looked in the cockpit during the preflight phase and thought "they're too busy to....adjust the temperature, call for catering, call for cleaners, readjust the temperature, run for a gate check tag, run for a burger, yell at the agent, work a seat dupe, check on a dog, etc, etc" Middle of a brief, middle of a checklist, no FA has ever been stopped by such trivial obstacles. Yet suddenly as a jumpseater they become as demure as a young fawn, the cockpit is a busy and frantic place, and we certainly wouldn't want to interrupt such important goings on. W. T. F. The whole point of the preflight phase is the gathering and concentration of information peratining to the flight, of which Additional Crew Members (fascinating term) are a key part.

Paint By Numbers: "Hi I'm Suzie with AirCal and I'm looking for a ride home" Extend hand, prepare for handshake. Repeat as necessary until you find the captain, then repeat once more. Present Identification. Captain will say "Suzie Welcome Aboard!" Respond with "Oh, thank you guys so much" and this and future rides will be assured. Is it really like pulling teeth? Does it kill you to ask in a respectful fashion? Surely not. The preceding approach is guaranteed not to piss anybody off, and didn't even require a bribe.

Disclaimer: I have nothing against FAs, I like them very much, but this is my pet peeve. Obviously.

Get a life and join a dating service if you need someone to talk to...
 
As there are no airline A/C in your profile, I am discounting your opinion in it's entirety. I won't lecture you on what to tip a line guy, or how to flirt with CSRs. You must be bored silly.
 
...and my presonal favorite "you looked busy." Never in the history of airline aviation has a working flight attendant looked in the cockpit during the preflight phase and thought "they're too busy to....adjust the temperature, call for catering, call for cleaners, readjust the temperature, run for a gate check tag, run for a burger, yell at the agent, work a seat dupe, check on a dog, etc, etc" Middle of a brief, middle of a checklist, no FA has ever been stopped by such trivial obstacles. Yet suddenly as a jumpseater they become as demure as a young fawn, the cockpit is a busy and frantic place,...

:beer:
 
Our FA's know who and where. (If I need to know, I'll pick up the phone.) Introductions required by all FFDO's, FBI, CIA, Mail Post Inspectors, etc carrying artillary - I want to know who's got my back. Otherwise, sit down... If your a pilot, sit down in a big-'in seat and have a round on us. (cheers)

It kills me that I've lowered my morals enough to post on a FA forum thread. Thanks for sucking me in guys...
 
Crew members that fly for free (filling out the jumpseat form) on other airlines without a simple "hi" or "hello", if not a former introduction to the captain or flight attendant, should be banned from jumpseating, period. If you can't show a little respect and courtesy flying on another air carrier, then you have no right to fly as a jumpseater and your name should be known to the air carriers.
 

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