Dl Makes $137m

[General Lee]

General, I, much like you, enjoy reading the difference of opinion on this board. However, the issue of picking up IA's/Green Slips/White Slips/etc. with people on furlough should be clear...DON'T DO IT...If the company cannot cover thier schedule with the staff they have, I guess they will have to call back furloughs. This has nothing to do with seniority. Yes a senior pilot is entitled to pick up overtime before a junior pilot, but each of us signed our ALPA card we took responsibility for keeping the junior pilots employed. 5000 hrs per month of open time divided by 70 hrs. per line equals about 70 pilots that could have kept their jobs if senior pilots would have simply flown their assigined trips and went home. When times are good, take your seniority and fly overtime until your butt is sore. When times are bad, fly your line and don't answer the phone. As far as I'm cocerned every union contract should limit average line values to 70-75 hrs/month and prohibit the pilots from picking up overtime when other pilots are on furlough. If the company can't find the staffing to cover the operation then they will think twice about layoffs, or at least be forced to make a few callbacks. If (when) we furlough after the merger you will not find my name on the Greenslip list, and if I fly with a Captain that is picking up extra flying it will be a very silent four day trip.

I understand where you are coming from. With the amount of posts I have, does it seem like I fly often? I do have lines that give me the low to mid 80's sometimes, but that is about it. Sometimes I swap to get a better trip, but that is about it. When Network Dork stated something about "yellow slips", I reminded him what they were about back when he was furloughed. I never said anything about picking up extra trips. I seem to get pretty close to what I want each month, and small tweaking is fine. My wife does great at her job, so I don't really have to pick up extra trips. I fly the ones I have, and enjoy them.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Old School]

The tragedy of companies like Delta is that there are billions of dollars owed which will never be paid. Thousands of pilots lost pensions and senior management still left town with their retention bonuses and bankruptcy proof retirements. Nothing short of criminal negligence.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Don't worry Oldschool. The Gerbil Lee will let you know the upside of losing a pention and screwing creditors. He's upping his dose of kool-aide.

 

[Bert Harbenson]

I understand where you are coming from. With the amount of posts I have, does it seem like I fly often? I do have lines that give me the low to mid 80's sometimes, but that is about it. Sometimes I swap to get a better trip, but that is about it. When Network Dork stated something about "yellow slips", I reminded him what they were about back when he was furloughed. I never said anything about picking up extra trips. I seem to get pretty close to what I want each month, and small tweaking is fine. My wife does great at her job, so I don't really have to pick up extra trips. I fly the ones I have, and enjoy them.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Sorry to jump on you there General. Just an issue that I have some strong feelings about. At my last company I was a few numbers away from the street and had the pleasure of flying with Captains who would gleefully boast about how much OT they were getting that month. It seems like the last time us here at DL had furloughs there were alot of pilots willing to walk over the furloughs for their own profit...in other news the $137 million is encouraging and hopefully we can avoid the industry trend of cutting pilot jobs this time around.

 

[spinproof]

The facts are they are financing the merger on the backs of employees. These same employees seem giddy to be on their way!

All this with DALPA's approval. Apparently sacrificing a few young for a "promise" is status quo for an ALPO run pilot group!

 

[FlyinPiker]

The facts are they are financing the merger on the backs of employees. These same employees seem giddy to be on their way!

Hilarious...this from the guy flying for Virgin America.

When it comes to kool aid I'd say their dish'in it out over there pretty good. Pilot pay will not make or break VA...but no one seemed to care when they signed up...who are you to call out DAL employees?

 

[spinproof]

Hilarious...this from the guy flying for Virgin America.

What part is funny? You lost me. VA is not merging, not ALPO and doesn't eat their young! I fail to see the connection.
I'm well payed, well rested, have a great QOL and I don't have to pay ALPO to figure ways to sell out the lower side of the pilot group.
Not calling anything out except what apparently is your pilot groups status quo!

 

[FDJ2]

What part is funny? You lost me. VA is not merging, not ALPO and doesn't eat their young! I fail to see the connection.
I'm well payed,

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: You work at Virgin America and you consider yourself well paid? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[spinproof]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: You work at Virgin America and you consider yourself well paid? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Absolutely!

 

[clippyrip]

What part is funny? You lost me. VA is not merging, not ALPO and doesn't eat their young! I fail to see the connection.
I'm well payed, well rested, have a great QOL and I don't have to pay ALPO to figure ways to sell out the lower side of the pilot group.
Not calling anything out except what apparently is your pilot groups status quo!

You work at a glass house my man, it might be time to put down the stones. Some would say VAs pay is bringing the industry down and that screws everyone, not just junior pilots.

 

[FlyinPiker]

What part is funny? You lost me. VA is not merging, not ALPO and doesn't eat their young! I fail to see the connection.
I'm well payed, well rested, have a great QOL and I don't have to pay ALPO to figure ways to sell out the lower side of the pilot group.
Not calling anything out except what apparently is your pilot groups status quo!

You whine and cry anytime someone has something negative to say about VA and then turn around and rip on unions and DAL employee's support of their companies future.

Not to hijack the thread but you are not the first pilot at a new airline (union or non union) to march around banging their pots and pans about how your life is so good today.

The correlation is where you are giddy to take what others may feel are shortcomings and where you feel we are giddy to short ourselves for our companies future.

Guess what...the day your company comes to you looking for something (which I'm sure will never happen), you won't have a choice.

 

[spinproof]

You work at a glass house my man, it might be time to put down the stones. Some would say VAs pay is bringing the industry down and that screws everyone, not just junior pilots.

When you guys put down the stones ,so will I. The arrogance that VA is ruining the industry is short sighted especially when you see the scattered bones of ALPO carriers cluttering the landscape.

Who's the villian here? A blind faith in an organization that cares little for your well being. Who's last little power play was to try an increase their take by changing the way they collect dues?

 

[Tanker Clown]

When is Delta going to get a pilot's union?

 

[spinproof]

You whine and cry anytime someone has something negative to say about VA and then turn around and rip on unions and DAL employee's support of their companies future.

Not to hijack the thread but you are not the first pilot at a new airline (union or non union) to march around banging their pots and pans about how your life is so good today.

The correlation is where you are giddy to take what others may feel are shortcomings and where you feel we are giddy to short ourselves for our companies future.

Guess what...the day your company comes to you looking for something (which I'm sure will never happen), you won't have a choice.

Just like you I protect my choice of employment. There's more to "Compensation" than pay! Can that change you bet it can and fast!

Funny how no has disputed my accessment of the situation.

 

[spinproof]

When is Delta going to get a pilot's union?

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