Speculator's mocking the airlines

[BSkin]

odd this string became a corporate vs. airline flying arguement. The couple corporate guys on here seem to be pretty bitter against the airlines. Could it have anything to do with the fact that there are plenty of corporate pilots that WANTED to be airline pilots but I've never heard of an airline pilot that wished he could have gotten a corporate job? I mean what' s with the corporate guys bashing the airlines, how about to each his own? You guys come across as "I hope the airlines suffer because I have a corporate job!" The worst is the self obsorbed little tool box boasting about "flying around wasting fuel because speed and comfort are our business"

Granted I agree with your post, but unless you're a SWA pilot, we all may be wishing for those corporate jobs soon!

 

[clippyrip]

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[skiandsurf]

The worst is the self obsorbed little tool box boasting about "flying around wasting fuel because speed and comfort are our business"

Actually, at NJs, I like to think that we sell time.

These people have all the money they need, its time that NJs sells.

 

[clippyrip]

I read the Wall St. Journal.Try taking an ECON 101 class.

Is that all it takes to be a know it all, thanks.

 

[Dan Roman]

Granted I agree with your post, but unless you're a SWA pilot, we all may be wishing for those corporate jobs soon!

Actually, I'm don't mean to come across as bashing corp jobs. I've always felt some of the best jobs around are corporate (and some of the worst) it's just that I disagee with throwing stones at anyones gig.
While I agree that SWA has the best survivability of all of us, there will be others that survive and sadly some that may not. It's going to be an interesting next year or two, we are probably all going to be shocked at some of what goes down. It is not going to be boring!
Good luck to us all.

 

[Superpilot92]

Is it suspicious that there is a massive sell off in oil today being that tomorrow is when the govt. is set to meat and move a bill through that would make the oil market more transparent? Speaker of the house stated the bill would be set to "go after the greedy speculators". Interesting? Hopefully it keeps going down.

 

[Poahi]

Is it suspicious that there is a massive sell off in oil today being that tomorrow is when the govt. is set to meat and move a bill through that would make the oil market more transparent?

The move in price today had more to do with decreasing demand. When the price breaks its resistance level, look out below. Speculators will jump ship and ride the opposite direction. It's coming. Just too little, too late.

 

[blueridge71]

odd this string became a corporate vs. airline flying arguement. The couple corporate guys on here seem to be pretty bitter against the airlines. Could it have anything to do with the fact that there are plenty of corporate pilots that WANTED to be airline pilots but I've never heard of an airline pilot that wished he could have gotten a corporate job? I mean what' s with the corporate guys bashing the airlines, how about to each his own? You guys come across as "I hope the airlines suffer because I have a corporate job!" The worst is the self obsorbed little tool box boasting about "flying around wasting fuel because speed and comfort are our business"

Speaking for myself as a fractional pilot, I came from the airlines and have no desire to return. I still have a lot of friends on the 121 side of the industry (including one who is about to be furloughed) and do not wish anyone out of a job.

My problem is with airline managements looking for government welfare to keep their failing business models afloat. They play right into the Democratic hands in jumping on the band wagon to blame speculators when there is no hard evidence that speculation plays a significant role. First, it was the evil oil companies and their high profits. Now it is speculators. Next it will be something else.

They will never get around to blaming the inability to drill our own oil, which forces us to rely on foreign (for the most part) dictatorships for two reasons:

1. They like high oil prices because it reduces consumption, which is their goal based on a global warming worldview

2. They are, for the most part, anti-capitalist and anti-profit. By demonizing the market, they are able to increase regulation and maybe, eventually, nationalize the oil companies, something some Democrats are already talking about.

 

[blueridge71]

Is that all it takes to be a know it all, thanks.

Just a know-more-than -you.

Maybe you can get the Cliff Notes for your flight bag.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Is it suspicious that there is a massive sell off in oil today being that tomorrow is when the govt. is set to meat and move a bill through that would make the oil market more transparent? Speaker of the house stated the bill would be set to "go after the greedy speculators". Interesting? Hopefully it keeps going down.

The sell off today was a result of banks liquidating their oil positions....The banks need the liquidity right now....

 

[Dan Roman]

Speaking for myself as a fractional pilot, I came from the airlines and have no desire to return. I still have a lot of friends on the 121 side of the industry (including one who is about to be furloughed) and do not wish anyone out of a job.

My problem is with airline managements looking for government welfare to keep their failing business models afloat. They play right into the Democratic hands in jumping on the band wagon to blame speculators when there is no hard evidence that speculation plays a significant role. First, it was the evil oil companies and their high profits. Now it is speculators. Next it will be something else.

They will never get around to blaming the inability to drill our own oil, which forces us to rely on foreign (for the most part) dictatorships for two reasons:

1. They like high oil prices because it reduces consumption, which is their goal based on a global warming worldview

2. They are, for the most part, anti-capitalist and anti-profit. By demonizing the market, they are able to increase regulation and maybe, eventually, nationalize the oil companies, something some Democrats are already talking about.

Well I don't buy limiting speculators as being anti-capitalistic. Capitalism should be building and producing and earning a profit that trickles down through the economy for the benefit of all.

I'll paraphrase a comment I heard attributed to Jimmy Buffet (It was a long time ago so forgive me if it's not exactly right) He described someone as republican, but " 'he was the good kind that was pro business not the I've got mine so screw you kind of republican' "
You guys bashing the airlines seem to me as coming across as the "screw you guys we've got plenty of money and we can waste all the fuel we want "
I got news for you, if fuel stays up a lot of corporations will be in just as big as or more trouble than the airlines.

As far as the airlines asking for govt help. The airline industry has contributed billions more to the economy than the corp sector and paid for a lot more toward those airports you use, shouldn't you be at least paying just as much for landing fees as we do? After all you guys can afford to fly around at any speed you want no matter what the cost, you could at least contibute a little more to operating the airports when you land at a major airport. I mean why should an airplane with a couple people on board not pay extra for holding up a couple hundred passengers on an airliner?

 

[clippyrip]

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[Poahi]

Capitalism should be building and producing and earning a profit that trickles down through the economy for the benefit of all.

Okay, but you're going to have to do something with the lawyers.

 

[Diesel]

odd this string became a corporate vs. airline flying arguement. The couple corporate guys on here seem to be pretty bitter against the airlines. Could it have anything to do with the fact that there are plenty of corporate pilots that WANTED to be airline pilots but I've never heard of an airline pilot that wished he could have gotten a corporate job? I mean what' s with the corporate guys bashing the airlines, how about to each his own? You guys come across as "I hope the airlines suffer because I have a corporate job!" The worst is the self obsorbed little tool box boasting about "flying around wasting fuel because speed and comfort are our business"

Yup we do max speed, never long range cruise unless we're trying to go non stop. Speed and comfort is our buisness. Poor customer service and screwing the workforce and passengers is what the airlines do best.

Please get the term right though. Corp is wayyy different than fractional.

 

[blueridge71]

As far as the airlines asking for govt help. The airline industry has contributed billions more to the economy than the corp sector and paid for a lot more toward those airports you use, shouldn't you be at least paying just as much for landing fees as we do? After all you guys can afford to fly around at any speed you want no matter what the cost, you could at least contibute a little more to operating the airports when you land at a major airport. I mean why should an airplane with a couple people on board not pay extra for holding up a couple hundred passengers on an airliner?

The problem is, as somebody said on another thread, there are just too many airlines and if one or two disappeared, it would probably be a good thing for the rest. I hate to wish ill for anyone, but it seems obvious that there is so much overcapacity that they can't charge fares that will pay the bills. That is the root of the problem. Government subsidies will just prolong the agony and make the situation take longer to stabilize.

Frankly, we usually have to wait on the 121 traffic. And you should see the taxes and fees that go onto a part 91 or 135 bill. We pay plenty.