DL dealing with PNCL & Mesa (Freedum)

[SPDBRD747400]

What's the deal with the Freedom (Mesa) lawsuit? I know there was the injunction against DL but isn't there to be a jury trial now in that case? Also what about Pinnacle? July 31st was to be the end for them for DL but everyone talks about this 90-day extension??? I never saw anything on DL Net or any news article, was it ever released in print? I'm wondering if DL is waiting for Mesa to go under and now just quietly let down Pncl do business as usual since they managed to dump XJ? Who knows, but July 31st will be here soon...

 

[Ridgeback]

DL will negoiate with 9E to get them off the DL property. Guessing they will buy the 16 or 17 900's and give them to Mesaba. Why not 9E is about to loose a whole lot more that 17 200's to Mesaba. DL is thinning the herd. Mesa, 9E, Xpress Jet, and I forgot the other...

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Mesa, 9E, Xpress Jet, and I forgot the other...

Big Sky (B1900's)

 

[Grinder10]

DL will negoiate with 9E to get them off the DL property. Guessing they will buy the 16 or 17 900's and give them to Mesaba. Why not 9E is about to loose a whole lot more that 17 200's to Mesaba. DL is thinning the herd. Mesa, 9E, Xpress Jet, and I forgot the other...

What is 9E going to lose to Mesaba? Are they just going to magically void their ASA for 124 aircraft? And if they are short on money it would not make sense to buy someone out of a contract and airplanes just to give it to someone else. They are trying to cut costs, not create them.

 

[Ridgeback]

For every month 9E goes with out a pilot contract NWA may remove 2 200's per month...

 

[CX880]

Does DL have a case against Mesa? I mean if they did they probably would have won the 1st ruling. Now there's word that they are giving more flying to Mesa?

 

[ChickenSled]

For every month 9E goes with out a pilot contract NWA may remove 2 200's per month...

Up to a limit of 15, and they are gone.

 

[DX Rick]

They're cutting back Comairs presence in JFK to set up Mesa to fail during the winter months. Taking the numbers to the court to get rid of JO.

 

[MJ42]

Does DL have a case against Mesa? I mean if they did they probably would have won the 1st ruling. Now there's word that they are giving more flying to Mesa?

Mesa didn't win anything. They were granted an injunction so they could stay in business until this case went to trial. Pretty standard, especially since the money they would have lost from DAL while waiting for trial would have been devastating.

 

[VerticalSnap]

So when is the trial? Where could one find information about it and the Pinnacle case?

 

[Windsor]

9E is fine for now. DL came to 9E a few weeks ago and told them they had 90 days to get their act together. Things are shaping up. I'm betting 9E will still be flying for DL/NW after the dust settle's with the merger.

 

[Raoul Duke]

word is the Sept schedule from DL has F8 moving its ERJs to CVG and LAX

 

[Sherpa]

Mesa Sucks!!!

 

[Tarzan]

9E is fine for now. DL came to 9E a few weeks ago and told them they had 90 days to get their act together. Things are shaping up. I'm betting 9E will still be flying for DL/NW after the dust settle's with the merger.

That's not the word from some higher ups. 9E is capped at 9 900's now instead of the 16 they were planning on.

 

[i fly boxes]

For every month 9E goes with out a pilot contract NWA may remove 2 200's per month...

i love when people comment on airlines they dont work for. This is absolutely false

 

[i fly boxes]

That's not the word from some higher ups. 9E is capped at 9 900's now instead of the 16 they were planning on.

I talked to Richard Anderson today and he said that Pinnacle will recieve 70 900's when its all said and done

 

[Medeco]

9E is fine for now. DL came to 9E a few weeks ago and told them they had 90 days to get their act together. Things are shaping up. I'm betting 9E will still be flying for DL/NW after the dust settle's with the merger.

I'm with the OP, WHERE IS THE PROOF of a 90 day extention? Not saying it is not true, we just want to know where this came from.


As to the trial, no date has been set by the judge.

Medeco

 

[norskman2]

9E is fine for now. DL came to 9E a few weeks ago and told them they had 90 days to get their act together.

Not true. MEC made it clear on the conference call last week, there is no 90 day extension. Delta and 9E are still "in discusions" but there has been no, repeat no, official change in Delta's plan to terminate 9E on July 31. Not to say it can't change, but nothing has been announced yet.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Not true. MEC made it clear on the conference call last week, there is no 90 day extension. Delta and 9E are still "in discusions" but there has been no, repeat no, official change in Delta's plan to terminate 9E on July 31. Not to say it can't change, but nothing has been announced yet.

Hmmm Thanks for the info...

 

[Superpilot92]

I talked to Richard Anderson today and he said that Pinnacle will recieve 70 900's when its all said and done

Did you speak with him in the MSP airport men's restroom? :blush:

 

[RiddleEagle18]

I could've sworn I saw the article about the 90 day extension on Deltanet. Did some searching and I can't find it anywhere. Still has the press release about cnx the agreement on July 31???

 

[RiddleEagle18]

I knew I saw it somewhere. HERE
Guys on there say they got a memo straight from Pinnacle management. They all seem to have gotten the same memo so I know there not making that part up. But I can't believe that Delta and Pinnacle wouldn't have sent a press release out about it.

 

[DoinTime]

Yeah.....Word of mouth from another internet idiot. There is no official extension.

 

[airdog]

The huge sucking sound from AZ

The injunction against Delta is much more limited than JO's been claiming. He says there has to be a trial.

The truth is the judge ruled that Delta couldn't use "Coordinated Cancellations" for the months of Nov & Dec '07 and February '08 to cancel the Mesa contract (he said there had been an oral modificaiton of the contract.)

The "Coordinated Cancellations" occur when Delta asks DCI's to not fly due to wx, atc delays etc. Evidently it helps Delta get their big metal into places like JFK when the system is messed up. Mesa said under the contract they don't have to accept Coordinated Cancellations and wouldn't have cancelled flights if they knew the flights would count against them. Delta says that they could count them.

HOWEVER, the Judge said that beginning April 1 the contact should be interrupted the way Delta claims it should be concerning counting Coordinated Cancellations. When Mesa starts flying again they will not accept Coordinated Cancellations and will have to decide on a flight per flight basis whether to suck huge delays or eat the flight. Delta will be holding their feet to the fire on performance.

My guess is that Mesa will fumble performance which will be end of them if Delta's cash stops, or, they will run out of cash soon. They closed today at $.37, will probably be delisted soon, and undoubtly have a bunch of credtors trying to decide when the best time is to try and salvage some of their investment.

The only difference between Mesa and the Titantic is that at least the Titantic had a band. I feel sorry for Mesa folks, but recommend they sleep in the life boats.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Mesa total market cap is 10.47 million. 5 Airplanes is worth more than that. The creditors will start to ask for liquidation. They would make alot more selling everything .

 

[Flyer1015]

9E is fine for now. DL came to 9E a few weeks ago and told them they had 90 days to get their act together. Things are shaping up. I'm betting 9E will still be flying for DL/NW after the dust settle's with the merger.

Lets hope so!

I will venture to guess that the whole 'do only your job, fly the contract' 'work to rule' stuff is gone in ATL. The whole DL annoucement of cancelling ATL Connection flying has gotten the ATL pilots to work hard like soldier boys. (Or is it Soulja boys? I can never tell which is which).

 

[McNugent]

Lets hope so!

I will venture to guess that the whole 'do only your job, fly the contract' 'work to rule' stuff is gone in ATL. The whole DL annoucement of cancelling ATL Connection flying has gotten the ATL pilots to work hard like soldier boys. (Or is it Soulja boys? I can never tell which is which).

Way to cave boys. Are you so short sighted to see this is exactly what they wanted? Good luck getting that contract, it'll never happen until you take matters into your own hands. Just take a look at ASA last year.

 

[Flyer1015]

Way to cave boys. Are you so short sighted to see this is exactly what they wanted? Good luck getting that contract, it'll never happen until you take matters into your own hands. Just take a look at ASA last year.

Easy, I didn't say it is fact. I started that sentence with "I will venture to guess..."

I have no proof, it was just my thought/opinion. I may be wrong, I may be right, or I may be wright (mix of wrong and right).

 

[undpilot]

Way to cave boys. Are you so short sighted to see this is exactly what they wanted? Good luck getting that contract, it'll never happen until you take matters into your own hands. Just take a look at ASA last year.

No one is caving in here. Its hard to be on time when we can't seem to get our numbers in a timely matter....

 

[EL10]

11-Jul-2008
Other Events

Item 8.01 Other Events As previously disclosed in a Form 8-K filed by Pinnacle Airlines Corp. (the "Company") on June 10, 2008, the Company's Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. subsidiary ("Pinnacle") received notice from Delta Air Lines ("Delta") of Delta's intent to terminate the Delta Connection Agreement between the two parties ("DCA"), effective July 31. The two parties agreed to discuss the situation in an effort to resolve it amicably and have further agreed that Pinnacle will continue operating nine aircraft pursuant to the DCA through September 2008. No assurance can be made that the parties will reach a mutually satisfactory resolution of the dispute beyond September 2008.