Alaska Airlines Jumpseat troubles?

[328dude]

Please tell me this is fake. Copied from another site.

John Hornibrook, Chairman
> ALA Council 67
>
>
>
> *********************
>
>
> Resolution
>
> Whereas the livelihood of Alaska Airlines pilots is
> threatened by the continuing downward spiral of airline
> industry pilot wages and benefits, and
>
> Whereas nonunion airlines who employ pilots at
> significantly lower wage rates and reduced benefit packages
> enjoy a marked competitive advantage over Alaska Airlines,
> and
>
> Whereas Alaska Airlines management is publicly committed to
> providing "industry average" compensation to
> Alaska employees, and
>
> Whereas providing nonunion pilots with no-cost
> transportation further enables their employers to enjoy an
> unfair economic advantage over Alaska Airlines and imposes
> undue negative pressure on Alaska Airlines pilot wages and
> benefits, and
>
> Whereas Section 115.E.2 of the ALPA Administrative Manual
> recognizes the Union membership card as a valid jumpseat
> identification document, and
>
> Whereas Section 115.G.3 of the ALPA Administrative Manual
> encourages the consideration of union affiliation as a
> criteria for determining jumpseat boarding priority, and
>
> Whereas Section 115.D.1 of the ALPA Administrative Manual
> directs that captains, not customer service agents, may
> offer cabin seating to pilots requesting jumpseat access,
>
> Therefore Be It Resolved the Alaska MEC petition the Alaska
> Airlines Chief Pilot to immediately suspend the reciprocal
> jumpseat agreement with jetBlue, Virgin America, and
> Allegiant Airlines until such time as their pilots are
> affiliated with a national or independent pilot union.
>
> Be it Further Resolved the Alaska MEC petition the Alaska
> Airlines chief pilot to refrain from entering into
> reciprocal jumpseat agreements with any nonunion airline
> that operates narrow-body airline equipment of 100 seats or
> more and whose highest captain pay rate is less than the
> highest Alaska Airlines captain book pay rate.
>
> Be it Further Resolved the Alaska MEC encourage all Alaska
> Airlines captains to fully exercise the provisions of
> Sections 115 E.2, G.3, and D.1 of the ALPA Administrative
> Manual.

 

[Freight Dog]

Oh boy... 10 pages!

 

[Joe Jet Pilot]

Hole "e" Crap

Oh boy... 10 pages!

The end is near!!!!!!!! They really posted this dung?????

 

[eskimopilot]

I am certain this resolution will be killed the second it is brought to the SEA LEC for consideration.
Don't let one individuals personal crusade lead you to conclusions about the majority of the group.
Regards.

 

[328dude]

Glad to hear. Seems this elected LEC member is out of touch. Can't believe this was even placed on the agenda.

 

[eskimopilot]

Glad to hear. Seems this elected LEC member is out of touch. Can't believe this was even placed on the agenda.

The elected LEC member was doing exactly as he should. Any active member has the right to bring a resolution before the LEC. It is not for the elected reps to decide it's legitimacy. That is left to the voting members of the council.
Although I disagree with the resolution I support the right of the the member who wrote it to bring it in front of the LEC. That is the way it should work.
Too bad it made the light of day here though.
I think it is getting more credence than it deserves.
Regards.

 

[mvedepo]

One bad apple is spoiling the bunch.

 

[Ocity]

WTF?? Where's USCABA?

 

[Mamma]

One bad apple is spoiling the bunch.

Maybe for you. But I figure most will have the mental fortitude to figure out the "bunch" are stand-up pilots.

 

[AKMD80GUY]

eskimo is right. The LEC did the right thing to bring the motion to vote. However this matter has been delt with internally with the partys involved. All airlines with agreements are welcomed anytime.

 

[Skank]

I am certain this resolution will be killed the second it is brought to the SEA LEC for consideration.
Don't let one individuals personal crusade lead you to conclusions about the majority of the group.
Regards.

Commuting on Alaska was always great. Thanks again for the ride, and I would welcome any Alaska pilots.

 

[PCL_128]

Please tell me this is fake. Copied from another site.

John Hornibrook, Chairman
> ALA Council 67
>
>
>
> *********************
>
>
> Resolution
>
> Whereas the livelihood of Alaska Airlines pilots is
> threatened by the continuing downward spiral of airline
> industry pilot wages and benefits, and
>
> Whereas nonunion airlines who employ pilots at
> significantly lower wage rates and reduced benefit packages
> enjoy a marked competitive advantage over Alaska Airlines,
> and
>
> Whereas Alaska Airlines management is publicly committed to
> providing "industry average" compensation to
> Alaska employees, and
>
> Whereas providing nonunion pilots with no-cost
> transportation further enables their employers to enjoy an
> unfair economic advantage over Alaska Airlines and imposes
> undue negative pressure on Alaska Airlines pilot wages and
> benefits, and
>
> Whereas Section 115.E.2 of the ALPA Administrative Manual
> recognizes the Union membership card as a valid jumpseat
> identification document, and
>
> Whereas Section 115.G.3 of the ALPA Administrative Manual
> encourages the consideration of union affiliation as a
> criteria for determining jumpseat boarding priority, and
>
> Whereas Section 115.D.1 of the ALPA Administrative Manual
> directs that captains, not customer service agents, may
> offer cabin seating to pilots requesting jumpseat access,
>
> Therefore Be It Resolved the Alaska MEC petition the Alaska
> Airlines Chief Pilot to immediately suspend the reciprocal
> jumpseat agreement with jetBlue, Virgin America, and
> Allegiant Airlines until such time as their pilots are
> affiliated with a national or independent pilot union.
>
> Be it Further Resolved the Alaska MEC petition the Alaska
> Airlines chief pilot to refrain from entering into
> reciprocal jumpseat agreements with any nonunion airline
> that operates narrow-body airline equipment of 100 seats or
> more and whose highest captain pay rate is less than the
> highest Alaska Airlines captain book pay rate.
>
> Be it Further Resolved the Alaska MEC encourage all Alaska
> Airlines captains to fully exercise the provisions of
> Sections 115 E.2, G.3, and D.1 of the ALPA Administrative
> Manual.

Seems like a great idea to me.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Seems like a great idea to me.

Thank Goodness this didn't happen. Remember that a reciprocal agreement is there for the benefit of both pilot groups.

One never knows exactly how many of his own pilots he may be screwing over with something like this.

I hope this is the end of all this. In times like this industry is experiencing right now....this is the last thing we need...

...unless a picket line has been crossed...

 

[chperplt]

Seems like a great idea to me.

From the guy who bought his job at Gulfsteam...

 

[DIAMONDDD]

From the guy who bought his job at Gulfsteam...

Zactly!!! Maybe we should ban, forever and ever, those who bought their jobs.

 

[imacdog]

Seems like a great idea to me.

Hey aren't you in another thread saying how dumb it is to start a jumpseat war?

I'm starting to think you're just another log-in "troll" handle for Rhoid and Instructordude. No one can be as stupid or as big of a hypocrite as you portray.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

But on the bright side, I think we all know the name of "Velocipede" from the other message board now.

 

[PCL_128]

Hey aren't you in another thread saying how dumb it is to start a jumpseat war?

No, it's dumb for a regional pilot group to start a jumpseat war with their mainline partner. Denying jumpseats to non-union pilots is another matter.

 

[imacdog]

Yeah everything makes sense in your little alligator brain, PFT_128. Where would we be without all the answers coming from a PFT whore that went to a low tier regional and now advises against both, all the while drinking and gargling ALPA kool aid then joining a non-ALPA carrier.

 

[igneousy2]

ALA COUNCIL 67 MEETING NOTICE


DATE:
TIME:

PLACE:






AGENDA:
1. Old Business
2. New Business
3. X Xxxxx Resolution (pilot's name deleted)

​

Refreshments will be served.​

John Hornibrook, Chairman
ALA Council 67

*********************


Resolution

Whereas the livelihood of Alaska Airlines pilots is threatened by the continuing downward spiral of airline industry pilot wages and benefits, and

Whereas nonunion airlines who employ pilots at significantly lower wage rates and reduced benefit packages enjoy a marked competitive advantage over Alaska Airlines, and

...



The original post posted the chairman's name out of context in an extremely unfair and inflamatory manner. The chairman's name related to the agenda and the fact that refreshments would be served! After his name...the resolution refered to in the agenda was listed...it was clear that it was put there for information and in no way conveyed his views, positive or negative about the resolution.

Rest assured that most of us recognize the slippery slope that a measure like this would setup and would not allow this measure to be passed. Is SWA to start denying jumpseats becasue Alaska pilots are bringing down 737 wages, is AA to deny jumpseats because we are part of ALPA and not part of APA, are regional pilots to deny jumpseats to major airline pilots because major airline pilots seek to limit their flying through our scope clauses. Where does this stop.

Stop worrying.

 

[Green Banana]

This was a hypothetical and was never intended to be public or serious, just spur internal conversation. Don't worry.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

From what I understand, which is very little, Redwood pilots are not paid enough to live in base, so they commute on Alaska so they can then compete with Alaska.

If they can't get to work, they can't work, yada yada yada.

I'm a commuter, and it still makes some sense to me.

 

[mvedepo]

From what I understand, which is very little, Redwood pilots are not paid enough to live in base, so they commute on Alaska so they can then compete with Alaska.

If they can't get to work, they can't work, yada yada yada.

I'm a commuter, and it still makes some sense to me.

Actually only a few of out pilots commute on Alaska. Most of our commuters are ex USAir, Independence, and USA3000 pilots that commute out of the east coast. Technically EVERY off line jumpseater from a competing airline you take to work is "hurting" your company. Guess you shouldn't let any non company pilots commute at all. :nuts:

 

[B6Busdriver]

Fubi? Fubi? Where are you? I know it's your resolution. Remember Fubi resentment is the number one offender.

 

[SneakyJake]

Didn't Horizon suspend jumpseats with United over their policy a few years back. I'm remembering they did and it worked in the end.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

No, it's dumb for a regional pilot group to start a jumpseat war with their mainline partner. Denying jumpseats to non-union pilots is another matter.

wankstream, peenukle, valuejet, see a trend here?
PBR

 

[Ameriagle]

From the guy who bought his job at Gulfsteam...

You bring this up and usually this is about the time this d*p sh*t has had enough to say. I think he likes to see himself post because I can't imagine he has an ounce of credibility with anyone on this board!

 

[PCL_128]

You bring this up and usually this is about the time this d*p sh*t has had enough to say. I think he likes to see himself post because I can't imagine he has an ounce of credibility with anyone on this board!

I don't post a response because I've responded over and over again already. No need to beat a dead horse.

 

[Ameriagle]

I don't post a response because I've responded over and over again already. No need to beat a dead horse.

No, actually that is the only dead horse on FI you don't beat!

Lot's of respectable folks have come up through the ranks at Gulfstream and Pinnacle. Talking out of both sides of your mouth, on your union soapbox, earns you zero respect, even if you're up there screaming!

 

[tzskipper]

No, it's dumb for a regional pilot group to start a jumpseat war with their mainline partner. Denying jumpseats to non-union pilots is another matter.

That is a broad bush you are using.... I know many "Union" (read previous ALPA members) that now work for non-union airlines, due to their airline going under (i.e; Aloha, ATA, and others).

You advocate kicking these guys (and gals) while they are down?

Skipper