GIA potential furlough?

[PCL_128]

As long as I've even known of GIA, it's been PFT. You're saying there are pilots still flying there who got hired before they started this PFT bs?
You're contradicting yourself by saying they "pay their money, get 250 & move on". So if everyone gets their 250 and moves on, then who is flying there that never PFT'd? Every GIA person I've come across claims they didn't pay for training there. Just wondering what they're telling you guys when you're "hired" there that makes people thing they never "PFT'd".

GIA has been hiring FOs and street Captains off the street for the last couple of years without any sort of PFT. They still have the PFT program, but they've hired tons of pilots without PFT. That's just a function of the regional job market over the last few years. When guys with 250 hours could just go straight to a CRJ without having to PFT, GIA had no choice but to street hire.

 

[Junkflyer]

Wow, poor GIA actually had to pay their employees.

 

[SplitBar]

GIA has been hiring FOs and street Captains off the street for the last couple of years without any sort of PFT. They still have the PFT program, but they've hired tons of pilots without PFT. That's just a function of the regional job market over the last few years. When guys with 250 hours could just go straight to a CRJ without having to PFT, GIA had no choice but to street hire.

PFT_128, how much did you pay for your job there? Is it a lump sum or do you pay them $xx.xx for each hour you fly for them?

 

[Sky Goddess]

I love how anytime something is posted about Gulfstream all we can talk about is "PFT". How about we all get our heads out of our bums and look at the big picture...because Gulfstream has sold the 120's not only "PFT"s are affected but so are flight attendants and senior pilots who didn't PFT. Right now it's not about what company you work for, how much money you paid or didn't pay, our industry is in the pooper right now and thousands are loosing jobs. So rather than rag on Gulfstream or any other company maybe we should think about our fellow pilots and airline employees who are no longer getting pay checks and have familys to support...

 

[PCL_128]

I'm actually surprised that they're getting rid of the EMBs. I figured that those would be more highly prized than the ratty old 1900s.

 

[andyd]

I'm actually surprised that they're getting rid of the EMBs. I figured that those would be more highly prized than the ratty old 1900s.

Actually the 120's were the ratty maintenance pigs, constantly breaking and causing a ripple effect of delays and stranded passengers that the reliable 1900 would always make up for.

As for the non-issue of PFT. The only tools I hear whining about it are the ones who weren't smart enough to do it themselves or be able to afford it. These are the SAME tools that freakin DROOL over a potential interview at SWA....the original PFT airline!

I'm sorry for all of the guys/gals at GIA that are going through this now....don't be so quick to throw stones......YOUR airline may be next on the hit list!

 

[andyd]

And YES I did go to GIA academy, paid for it and cut at least 2 years off the time it took me to get to a regional. ZERO regrets and no apologies. If it weren't for GIA I wouldn't be at Delta now. I'd highly recommend GIA to anyone considering a career change or fresh out of college. Not everyone is cut out to be a CFI nor should they be. I figure that the $24,000 I paid for GIA will have added easily $250,000 in career earnings and $400,000 in my 401K balance at retirement age. Why would I trade that for 2 years of students trying to kill me and get me violated working 6 days a week? Screw that.

 

[scottdonley]

Where are the 120's going? Anybody know?

 

[Turtlesfly]

And YES I did go to GIA academy, paid for it and cut at least 2 years off the time it took me to get to a regional. ZERO regrets and no apologies. If it weren't for GIA I wouldn't be at Delta now. I'd highly recommend GIA to anyone considering a career change or fresh out of college. Not everyone is cut out to be a CFI nor should they be. I figure that the $24,000 I paid for GIA will have added easily $250,000 in career earnings and $400,000 in my 401K balance at retirement age. Why would I trade that for 2 years of students trying to kill me and get me violated working 6 days a week? Screw that.

VxPilot and The General:

Take note - here is the typical GIA attitude. All about me. Sorry if you don't think it applies to you, I'm sure it doesn't. But we're just calling it like we see it....

 

[barnyard]

And YES I did go to GIA academy, paid for it and cut at least 2 years off the time it took me to get to a regional. ZERO regrets and no apologies. If it weren't for GIA I wouldn't be at Delta now. I'd highly recommend GIA to anyone considering a career change or fresh out of college. Not everyone is cut out to be a CFI nor should they be. I figure that the $24,000 I paid for GIA will have added easily $250,000 in career earnings and $400,000 in my 401K balance at retirement age. Why would I trade that for 2 years of students trying to kill me and get me violated working 6 days a week? Screw that.

Roger that!

We'll add you to the list of people that 99% of us don't like.

 

[JoeMerchant]

And YES I did go to GIA academy, paid for it and cut at least 2 years off the time it took me to get to a regional. ZERO regrets and no apologies. If it weren't for GIA I wouldn't be at Delta now. I'd highly recommend GIA to anyone considering a career change or fresh out of college. Not everyone is cut out to be a CFI nor should they be. I figure that the $24,000 I paid for GIA will have added easily $250,000 in career earnings and $400,000 in my 401K balance at retirement age. Why would I trade that for 2 years of students trying to kill me and get me violated working 6 days a week? Screw that.

There you have it folks.....Andy here did what was best for him so that he could fast track to the almighty Delta cockpit.....Save the "brotherhood" BS Andy.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

VxPilot and The General:

Take note - here is the typical GIA attitude. All about me. Sorry if you don't think it applies to you, I'm sure it doesn't. But we're just calling it like we see it....

...and now he is at Delta....where the "all about ME" attitude continues.......

 

[rustypigeon]

Actually the 120's were the ratty maintenance pigs, constantly breaking and causing a ripple effect of delays and stranded passengers that the reliable 1900 would always make up for.

As for the non-issue of PFT. The only tools I hear whining about it are the ones who weren't smart enough to do it themselves or be able to afford it. These are the SAME tools that freakin DROOL over a potential interview at SWA....the original PFT airline!

I'm sorry for all of the guys/gals at GIA that are going through this now....don't be so quick to throw stones......YOUR airline may be next on the hit list!

I guess I am one of the dumb ones then. I didn't buy my job.

 

[andyd]

Oh no, my feelings are hurt because Joe don't like me.....I think I'll cry all the way to the bank.

 

[andyd]

This thread is supposed to be about potential furloughs at GIA, which hopefully can be avoided. It truely sucks when the commuters and regionals are talking the F word and no one is hiring....no place to go too. Scary times for all involved no matter where you are. Just trying to get the point accross not to bash GIA because any one of us could very well be next. How we got here or where we came from is a debate for another day.....what matters is that fellow pilots, with familys, homes and very real concerns are going to be faced with very tough times....how bout we quit pointing the fingers and feeding into the animosity and help each other out with some kindness??? I'll even be nice to Joe!