UAL - shut down completely?

[Max Powers]

Continental is probably trying to position itself for the best spoils of a UAL failure.

Them and everyone else

 

[D-Bo]

Them and everyone else

Folks have been saying that for 6 years now. Maybe they'll be right one of these days. Maybe not.

 

[bluefin]

Yes, no plan for the future. No aircraft orders in the future, no plans except shrink. Today the pieces of UAL are worth more than the whole. Tilton's loyalty is to himself and the share holders(how many are left?). The only way he can get a return for the share holders value is to sell off the pieces, which is the next step. Ual's days are numbered, everyone there is in a state of denial. Everyone needs to be looking for a new career, at UAL the party is over.

 

[bluefin]

Has it been this bad in the last 6 years? Yes, no plan for the future. No aircraft orders in the future, no plans except shrink. Today the pieces of UAL are worth more than the whole. Tilton's loyalty is to himself and the share holders(how many are left?). The only way he can get a return for the share holders value is to sell off the pieces, which is the next step. Ual's days are numbered, everyone there is in a state of denial. Everyone needs to be looking for a new career, at UAL the party is over.

 

[whatitdoing?]

CAL doesn't want anything to do with UAL.....period. They would of already merged if that was the case. They're just positioning themselves for a different alliance. If anything, CAL will be at the table to part out UAL with everyone else....

 

[climbhappy]

I think a shutdown is out of the question. Their int'l route structure is too strong.... they could sharply reduce domestic capacity and shed regional feed to the extent they aren't paying high fixed costs for half empty RJs.
I need one thing clarified ..Are Regional contracts still a fee per departure?

I think after the election we'll know alot more.

I think both candidates suck, would have preferred Rudy or Hillary. bill clinton could have a great Sec of state and he would have gotten the price of oil down.

But that said, after the election we'll know if the oil bubble will burst.....swift new policies against trading on oil futures will come

forget any Bush legislation moving through except for a housing bail out.. that is just election posturing.

otherwise, oil might hit 150 depending on who gets elected.

mcCain = 150.00 oil

Obama = 90 to 100 oil.

this opinion and a nickel will get you a handfull of the best horse$hit you have ever bought.

 

[Freight Dog]

The big difference between the post-9/11 crisis and this one is the current liquidity crisis. In other words, post-9/11, there was a line of institutions willing to lend money to distressed carriers while they were restructuring. That's not the case right now. No one is willing to lend money and take chances.

As much as I hate to think that UAL will shut down, I think it's a very likely possibility.

 

[brownie]

I think a shutdown is out of the question. Their int'l route structure is too strong.... they could sharply reduce domestic capacity and shed regional feed to the extent they aren't paying high fixed costs for half empty RJs.
I need one thing clarified ..Are Regional contracts still a fee per departure?

I think after the election we'll know alot more.

I think both candidates suck, would have preferred Rudy or Hillary. bill clinton could have a great Sec of state and he would have gotten the price of oil down.

But that said, after the election we'll know if the oil bubble will burst.....swift new policies against trading on oil futures will come

forget any Bush legislation moving through except for a housing bail out.. that is just election posturing.

otherwise, oil might hit 150 depending on who gets elected.

mcCain = 150.00 oil

Obama = 90 to 100 oil.

this opinion and a nickel will get you a handfull of the best horse$hit you have ever bought.

Actualy mccain = 400 oil obama = 250
the reason. bush still have another 7 months in office and difinetly another war in him and this one is gonna be BIG and LONG.

 

[CALDC9]

CAL doesn't want anything to do with UAL.....period. They would of already merged if that was the case. They're just positioning themselves for a different alliance. If anything, CAL will be at the table to part out UAL with everyone else....

Who are the strongest partners in the Star alliance?

Can you say Lufthansa & Singapore

 

[contrail67]

CAL doesn't want anything to do with UAL.....period. They would of already merged if that was the case. They're just positioning themselves for a different alliance. If anything, CAL will be at the table to part out UAL with everyone else....

It is cheaper to cut before a merger dude. Don't be surprised if they merge after the cuts...I do believe CAL is cutting too....as most Legacy airlines are. If CAL did not want anything to do with UAL then then would not enter an alliance. They do realize that if they do not join a structured alliance they may not be at the table....just how it goes.