How many furloughs/losses by fall?

[SilverandSore]

Not trying to offend the masses, but how many furloughs/losses do you think we're looking at by November 08?

By my count, since January or so of this year, we're over a 1000 already. That's ATA, ABX, Aloha, Champion, Sun Country, DHL, PSA and a few others.

 

[B737 Guy]

To tag along to that make sure and thank alpa national for upping the age 60 retirement for the impending "pilot shortage."

 

[Tanker Clown]

How many do you guys think that Delta alone will furlough?

 

[SilverandSore]

To tag along to that make sure and thank alpa national for upping the age 60 retirement for the impending "pilot shortage."

How many over 60 guys are still flying? Compare that to the number of 300 hour wonders hired in the last 2 years. I'd say when every regional out there was hiring sub 500 hour guys, that that would qualify as a 'shortage'. Has that situation turned around...oh yeah.

 

[B737 Guy]

How many do you guys think that Delta alone will furlough?

Maybe the same number as the military will lay off as a result of the incoming democratic president.

Don't worry clown, I will save you a spot in the unemployment line.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Maybe the same number as the military will lay off as a result of the incoming democratic president.

Don't worry clown, I will save you a spot in the unemployment line.

I guess I'll see you there.

 

[B737 Guy]

I guess I'll see you there.

You bring the popcorn, I'll bring the beer!:beer:

 

[stlflyguy]

Hey, the junior-most TWA pilots have been out almost 7 years already. Even the mid seniority TWA guys have been out 5+.

stlflyguy

 

[AA717driver]

Hey, the junior-most TWA pilots have been out almost 7 years already. Even the mid seniority TWA guys have been out 5+.

stlflyguy

And the 'upper-middle seniority' guys are headed out again. TC

 

[Midnight Flyer]

You bring the popcorn, I'll bring the beer!:beer:

Yeah, If we can afford to buy beer anymore.:erm:

 

[Lear70]

Well, let's see here (and nobody get your panties in a wad, everyone is in trouble, we're just brainstorming here, not picking on any airline in particular):

CAL: 300
UAL: 950
DAL/NWA: ???
UAir: 900-1,000

Frontier: 300 (if they don't go out completely).
AAI: 150 (just a guess, we'll find out tonight or tomorrow)
Midwest: 100
Spirit: 250

That's around 3,000 MORE furloughs by this time next year, over the 1,000 pilots already on the street. And this won't be a short-term deal like after 9/11, this will be a prolonged 3-5 year adjustment unless oil goes back under $100 a Brl for more than 6 months and looks to stay there.

Not to mention the F/A's, ground support staff, closures of small, unprofitable cities, etc. Those job losses plus service loss plus ticket price increases are likely to bring the clammor from the public to government officials to "DO SOMETHING" to bring back service and low prices.

It's going to suck for a while, and there aren't many other jobs out there (certainly not flying jobs) that will pay the bills with the higher cost of living and lower value to the dollar we're suffering.

Nasty environment for aviation... If you have training in some other field, I'd take the opportunity to brush up on it and put some feelers out there if you're in the bottom 10-20% of ANY airline's seniority list (except maybe the normal 4 that seem to keep growing regardless like SWA, FDX, UPS, and NetJets).

Good luck to everyone.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

I will guess 500+ at nwa(hope I am wrong) Less, maybe none at dal.

Well, let's see here (and nobody get your panties in a wad, everyone is in trouble, we're just brainstorming here, not picking on any airline in particular):

CAL: 300
UAL: 950
DAL/NWA: ???
UAir: 900-1,000

Frontier: 300 (if they don't go out completely).
AAI: 150 (just a guess, we'll find out tonight or tomorrow)
Midwest: 100
Spirit: 250

That's around 3,000 MORE furloughs by this time next year, over the 1,000 pilots already on the street. And this won't be a short-term deal like after 9/11, this will be a prolonged 3-5 year adjustment unless oil goes back under $100 a Brl for more than 6 months and looks to stay there.

Not to mention the F/A's, ground support staff, closures of small, unprofitable cities, etc. Those job losses plus service loss plus ticket price increases are likely to bring the clammor from the public to government officials to "DO SOMETHING" to bring back service and low prices.

It's going to suck for a while, and there aren't many other jobs out there (certainly not flying jobs) that will pay the bills with the higher cost of living and lower value to the dollar we're suffering.

Nasty environment for aviation... If you have training in some other field, I'd take the opportunity to brush up on it and put some feelers out there if you're in the bottom 10-20% of ANY airline's seniority list (except maybe the normal 4 that seem to keep growing regardless like SWA, FDX, UPS, and NetJets).

Good luck to everyone.

 

[IAHERJ]

Looks like we are going to be able to reduce our furloughs significantly at CAL with a new LOA between the company and union that spells out early outs and long term voluntary reduced flying and COLA's. Some on both sides think there will be none at all should this work out. My guess, about 100 involuntary separations from CAL.
IAHERJ

 

[Soverytired]

Ultimately, there's really only ONE furlough that matters.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Ultimately, there's really only ONE furlough that matters.

MESA!