United Airlines to start requiring minimum stays for nearly all domestic coach seats

[pipejockey]

Who doesn't want to spend less, as a consumer I would rather pay less than get screwed because there is no competition. Maybe the we can learn something about the crappy product airlines are trying to shove down the throat of consumers with crusty service and bitter employees. Defending it only makes you look out of touch.

If you want anyone to take you seriously when commenting on these matters, you should change your current position on your profile. Although I am glad you have it there because I can understand where your attitude comes from. I realize your real body and mind is in some massive underground bunker where they wisk you off when you show up for the southworst interview, and what they return with is a perfect clone who's mind has been altered to tow the company line as if their life depended on it. Basically airline managements take on the "super soldier" but instead is the "southworst soldier" in essence a workforce of company mouthpieces.

People, we haven't seen the worst of what management will take from us, not by a long shot. Because when southworst starts having trouble earning money when fuel approaches 200 and above, which it will, these "southworst soldiers" will be falling all over themselves to take concessions when management comes calling. I truly believe they will actually OFFER management concessions before management even comes calling. Because that is what it means to be a "southworst soldier".

 

[Fox-Tree]

I'll 'fess up - call me stupid.

Why do they care how long you stay? Can someone explain why this comes into the equation.

 

[pipejockey]

Why do they care how long you stay? Can someone explain why this comes into the equation.

You're asking people here? How in the he** are we supposed to know when airline management doesn't even know! They just do things for the sake of doing them, just so they can say "look, look at all we are doing to return to profits". Airline management reminds me of what some of Mike Tysons knockouts in the 80's look like. Where his opponents are stumbling and flailing at the air, completely unaware of where they are and what they are flailing at.

 

[overseas boy]

By requiring a stay for economy seats it means a business traveller is "incentivised" to purchase a business class seat in order to make it there and back in one day...!!! Won't affect the normal leisure traveller cause they are gonna do the overnight anyways but the business guy/gal will have to pay for the business seat instead of the "cheap" economy seat to get out and back quickly.

 

[scoreboardII]

And herein lies the problem. People like you that are just thrilled with how things are. Your attitude is that we should just be happy as a clam to fly a jet for a living. You are just a quitter I guess. Just up and leave something if you don't like it instead of trying to make it better. My guess is that you fall into 1 of 2 categories. You are not even a pilot for a 121 carrier, or you are management of some sort. You reek it from here!

As far as having no say on pricing, well would you feel the same way if we all just stopped voting in these ridiculous contracts and ultimately went through all the absurd hurdles we must go through to attempt self-help. Ultimately we are in control, but only if we act together, which most pilots won't due to greed!

Allrighty then, so when you go buy a tank of gas for your car do you look for the cheapest station or just stop anywhere and buy? The last time you bought anything of value, did you do any type of research online or by calling around or did you just walk in and pick it up? Don't lie. It's called efficiency.

So your basic argument is you want to go back to how it was because your not making enough money? You want to deny your customers the same rights you have as a consumer? Happy with what YOU have? Hardly, look how far you've let yourselves slide. Nobody else did it to you, you did it to yourself. I can see how that would gripe you.

Reek of it? Sorry, I'm pretty content to be here, just a line guy, not a management guy. And yes, if it comes to it, SWAPA will propose the cuts to stay in business, while you fold.

 

[Whataburger]

And I'd rather be furloughed from a company that makes money through capacity reductions and fare increases.

That's worked pretty good for UAL in the last few years huh? If UAL stays in business for 30 more years, would yall even make back the billions you've lost in the last 5 years? Don't hate us or anyone else, your execs BLOW!

 

[ASADFW7]

pipejockey, you can attack me or think I am not worthy of an opinion because of where I work. I am also a consumer, I have a voice. Good luck to you, where you fly and where you live. Peace to you and your family. Our realities are not that much different.

 

[GuppyWN]

SWA kicks ass. Plain and simple. Yesterday. Today. Tomorrow.

Gup
flamesuit on

 

[LeonPhelps]

SWA kicks ass. Plain and simple. Yesterday. Today. Tomorrow.

Gup
flamesuit on

Man...I gotta raise my glass of courvossier to the Gupsta! Homey, I don't know who you are...but with cojones like that, I bet the bus station skanks just luv you!!

 

[pilotyip]

In the end the consumer will determine what tickets prices will be. And if the airlines raise prices enought to leave room in thier margins for someone else to start an airline, a new airline will start.

 

[pipe]

In the end the consumer will determine what tickets prices will be. And if the airlines raise prices enought to leave room in thier margins for someone else to start an airline, a new airline will start.

Actually, King Fahd and the OPEC ministers will determine what about 75% of the ticket price will be. The Federal government will determine a significant portion of it via taxes, as will the local government (gates, landing fees, security fees, etc.). Then Boeing, Airbus, and International Lease Finance Corp. will determine another big part of it via aircraft lease pricing. Once all of that is done, inept CEOs will screw up dealing with the meager few percent of the price that they can really control.

PIPE

 

[JT8D]

Actually, King Fahd and the OPEC ministers will determine what about 75% of the ticket price will be.

PIPE

Not true at least at this point. I just booked a relative positive space round-trip from DTW to MCO and back on one of the discount sites for $227 and some change. Trip down was on NWA direct, trip back was on LCC with a stop in CLT.

You telling me that fare even comes close to "75%" of the gas?

By the way putting relatives on stand-by passes these days is a waste of time and makes no sense.

 

[Sparse]

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And oh, sorry, I thought you were aware that the airline industry was generally a successful industry that paid their labor well prior to 1978 when it was regulated and not subject to free market forces. An airline job was once a coveted job, especially amongst pilots. Now it is an embarrassment, such that I try to avoid, and deflect all talk of "what I do for a living" when the topic comes up.

Back in 1977, Tom Bebee (chairman Delta Airlines) and Dave Garret (President Delta Airlines), well respected airline men, warned then, and adematley opposed airline deregulation. Delta was the only major opposed to the act. Deregulation falls on the shoulders of a Democratic President, Jimmy Carter, and a Democratically controlled congress and their hinchman Alfred Kahn.

 

[vetteracer]

By requiring a stay for economy seats it means a business traveller is "incentivised" to purchase a business class seat in order to make it there and back in one day...!!! Won't affect the normal leisure traveller cause they are gonna do the overnight anyways but the business guy/gal will have to pay for the business seat instead of the "cheap" economy seat to get out and back quickly.

Exactly. The though is that the business traveler is not an optional traveler. If they are traveling for one day they have to be where ever it is there going. This also use to apply on some airlines unless you stayed over a weekend. In that case there was no way around it. Mon-Fri you paid more to travel.

This scam was outlined in "Hard Landing". Not sure who or what airline though it up, but Bob Crandall comes to mind.

 

[Cobra17]

By requiring a stay for economy seats it means a business traveller is "incentivised" to purchase a business class seat in order to make it there and back in one day...!!! Won't affect the normal leisure traveller cause they are gonna do the overnight anyways but the business guy/gal will have to pay for the business seat instead of the "cheap" economy seat to get out and back quickly.

Who are you?

Why are you here?

You are rational and make sense.

There is no place for people like you on FI.

Go away.