so it comes for us too

[tico]

Looks like Alaska mgmnt. has figured out how to have their cake and eat it too......Word is that in late Sept/early Oct..we are going to furlough 125 fo's and downgrade about 100 captains.....Contract talks have stopped and they are going to move ahead with a third party to do 12 -14 airplanes worth of flying....as in not replacing the last MD's that are leaving....... Word is that it is going to be flown by a carrier that has EMB170/190 options and that they will be doing the lionshare of Alaska's Portland operation.......as well as most of the bay area ops out of SEA. Given that we actually are in better shape to weather the oil crisis than even SWA it is pure contract ploy but unlike in the past they are actually going to do it.....What a great place to work.......Cut off your head to spite your body........

 

[Flyby1206]

Wow that sucks, I bet Republic is going to put those extra E170s to work for Alaska.

 

[328dude]

nevermind.....

 

[pianoman]

Looks like Alaska mgmnt. has figured out how to have their cake and eat it too......Word is that in late Sept/early Oct..we are going to furlough 125 fo's and downgrade about 100 captains.....Contract talks have stopped and they are going to move ahead with a third party to do 12 -14 airplanes worth of flying....as in not replacing the last MD's that are leaving....... Word is that it is going to be flown by a carrier that has EMB170/190 options and that they will be doing the lionshare of Alaska's Portland operation.......as well as most of the bay area ops out of SEA. Given that we actually are in better shape to weather the oil crisis than even SWA it is pure contract ploy but unlike in the past they are actually going to do it.....What a great place to work.......Cut off your head to spite your body........

You don't have a scope section that prevents this?

 

[Ocity]

Heavy on details...Source?

They'll be sued overnight if they try the emb. deal.

 

[Sioux115]

Same plan for Horizon. Mgt. wants to cut 80 capts. and 200 FOs over the course of our "fleet transition".

I have a friend at Compass and there has been a lot of rumors of flying for the Eskimo running around there for several months.

 

[RedRum]

Status Quo my A$$

Same plan for Horizon. Mgt. wants to cut 80 capts. and 200 FOs over the course of our "fleet transition".

I have a friend at Compass and there has been a lot of rumors of flying for the Eskimo running around there for several months.

SHUT IT DOWN. This type of management harrassment really needs to stop. The only thing we as pilots have for leverage is the work we do. If the music stops, poeple start to listen.

I saw the ALPA videos of the Alaska picketing. I was VERY impressed with the way you guys represented yourselves. It seems like you are ready to lay on the sword if you need to.

The Railway Labor Act requires both sides to maintain the status quo during negotiations. Alaska management going out and finding outsourced flying while in negotiations is DEFINITELY not what I would call the status quo.

Best of luck to you guys at Alaska. Just like everywhere else. It used to be a premier airline and it still can be. Labor really needs to stand their ground and withhold their services til they get the picture. No mediator is going to declare an impasse at this stage of the game and management knows that. Time to seek your own self-help.

 

[lowtimedriver]

There are always a ton of rumors regarding Alaska. Problem is that none of them ever come true.....

 

[Baze]

Looks like it's time to really start looking for another job and seek a different career path.

Or, maybe I'll just sell everything I have and move to Fiji and live in a grass hut.

 

[Ocity]

There are always a ton of rumor regarding Alaska. Problem is that none of them ever come true.....

That would be a welcome problem this time.

 

[Superpilot92]

You don't have a scope section that prevents this?

I just wanted to repeat this question.

 

[Ocity]

All is says is that Alaska Airlines pilots will do all Alaska Airlines flying.

That can be twisted 100 different ways to management. Currently there is nothing that really qualifies as a "scope clause".

Probably as result of 35+ years of an all too trusting pilot group, and a ridiculously restrictive reliance on binding arbitration.

 

[TAWS]

Same plan for Horizon. Mgt. wants to cut 80 capts. and 200 FOs over the course of our "fleet transition".

I have a friend at Compass and there has been a lot of rumors of flying for the Eskimo running around there for several months.

Is this before, or after Republic buys them?





Just kidding

 

[skid]

Same plan for Horizon. Mgt. wants to cut 80 capts. and 200 FOs over the course of our "fleet transition".

I have a friend at Compass and there has been a lot of rumors of flying for the Eskimo running around there for several months.

I am a current CA at Compass living on the west coast and commuting a long way to work.
First off being a former Qx'er and having several friends at AS, I hope all of these "rumors" are untrue. Yes being closer to home would be great for me. But for that to happen at the expense of others I have worked with is not the way I want it to happen.

Secondly, the rumors of this happening at Compass have gone pretty silent since the merger announcement. I would be kinda shocked to see anything like this for us with the Delta side running the show. Maybe we will have more Salt Lake flying or something like that. Besides I most of us may be on the street again by the end of the year with this merger.

Finally, if the airgroup wants a 76 seat jet I see them trying to put the QX pilots in the position of continuing to go to an all 400 fleet or at the last minute wave the RJ 900's in their faces to be flown at current 700 rates.

I have nothing to back any of this up but management at the airgroup can get pretty brutal if they want to.

All in all I wish the best for all those involved at QX and AS

 

[Capi_Cafre']

Word is that in late Sept/early Oct..we are going to furlough 125 fo's and downgrade about 100 captains.....Contract talks have stopped and they are going to move ahead with a third party to do 12 -14 airplanes worth of flying

This would be a very good time for everyone to realize that the fates of both the Horizon and Alaska pilot groups are inextricably bound together. Might just as well hang up a FOR SALE sign on the rest of the flying if this is allowed to happen.

 

[Minimaniac]

Don't look at Republic...with the very rare exception of the Denver base for Frontier, management has had zero interest in having west coast flying and bases. Even when mother Delta had the Shuttle America 170's doing a lot of flying out of SLC, there was no crew base and as soon as possible the planes were sent to ATL. Republic resists going west... perhaps it is too far from the mothership. I guess it is easier to hide on-time and reliability problems when you can blame weather, ATC, and congestion for missed performance numbers. Out west things flow well, and you only have yourself to blame.

 

[MALSR]

SHUT IT DOWN. This type of management harrassment really needs to stop. The only thing we as pilots have for leverage is the work we do. If the music stops, poeple start to listen.


First, I would love to see a company shut down by the pilots over contracted flying...but it will never happen. Second, how is this any different than Pen air or ERA aviation doing work for you guys already? If the line wasn't drawn with Pen air then why would anyone suspect it to be drawn with Compass? I hope I never see another contract operator flying for you guys....hold the line.

 

[Green Banana]

Yawn....... this is all just guessing. We are in contract negotiations and there will be all kinds of rumors flying around. Ahhh, I'm so scared someone will take my flying, I better take a pay cut...

Relax, it's standard operating procedure...

 

[DYLIN]

.Secondly, the rumors of this happening at Compass have gone pretty silent since the merger announcement. I would be kinda shocked to see anything like this for us with the Delta side running the show. Maybe we will have more Salt Lake flying or something like that. Besides I most of us may be on the street again by the end of the year with this merger.

Being wholly own by NWA could Compass even do flying for anyone else? In other words, as Mesaba and Comair and Eagle are wholly owned by NWA and DAL and AMR respectively, are they able to bid for other flying, like for UAL or something? I thought the wholly owned regionals were locked in to flying for the carrier that owns them and that is it.

I am considering a lateral move to Compass and this could possibly play into my decision which has to be made in the next week.

 

[PaulFooley]

I am considering a lateral move

I don't think it's wise to consider anything lateral now. Stay wherever you are. Your chance of guessing tomorrow's success is just that: a guess.

 

[DYLIN]

I don't think it's wise to consider anything lateral now. Stay wherever you are. Your chance of guessing tomorrow's success is just that: a guess.

I know. Things were much different where I work when I applied to Compass, and then the day I interviewed my current company got some good news from our main source of business. But now I'm left with a tougher decision! Alright my thread hijack is over except my question does remain about wholly owned carriers being able to bid for Alaska RJ flying with the rest of the regionals, if anyone can answer that.

 

[QCappy]

Being wholly own by NWA could Compass even do flying for anyone else? In other words, as Mesaba and Comair and Eagle are wholly owned by NWA and DAL and AMR respectively, are they able to bid for other flying, like for UAL or something? I thought the wholly owned regionals were locked in to flying for the carrier that owns them and that is it.

You mean like when Horizon flew for Frontier?

 

[DYLIN]

You mean like when Horizon flew for Frontier?

Well, if Horizon is wholly owned by Alaska. Are they?

I just thought that the regionals that are owned by a mainline carrier could only fly for those mainline carriers and could not bid for flying that would be for another mainline.

i.e. Mesaba could not get a CPA with American
i.e. Comair could not get a CPA with Continental

Am I incorrect?

 

[ReverseSensing]

Well, if Horizon is wholly owned by Alaska. Are they?

I just thought that the regionals that are owned by a mainline carrier could only fly for those mainline carriers and could not bid for flying that would be for another mainline.

i.e. Mesaba could not get a CPA with American
i.e. Comair could not get a CPA with Continental

Am I incorrect?

Horizon Air and Alaska Airlines are both owned by Alaska Air Group.

Alaska Air Group allowed Horizon to bid for and conduct Frontier Jet Express flying. I don't see why another network carrier couldn't allow their wholly-owned "regional" to bid to conduct contract flying for a third-party network carrier. Question is, would they?

 

[Ocity]

Yawn....... this is all just guessing. We are in contract negotiations and there will be all kinds of rumors flying around. Ahhh, I'm so scared someone will take my flying, I better take a pay cut...

Relax, it's standard operating procedure...

Dude, I know it's easier to not worry about it, but never stop looking over your shoulder. Set yourself up to be surprised that nothing happened, not surprised that you're all of the sudden out of a job.

Bill Ayer does not care about you or your family. Not even the tiniest little bit. Don't forget that.

 

[waveflyer]

agreed. i get the point to your "yawn" but scope is not something that should be yawned at. 170's and 190's for sure ARE MAINLINE airplanes... if you allow- after seeing the affect at every legacy carrier- to let your junior pilots get furloughed, while allowing them at the same time to outsource flying- you are complete a$$holes- and have learned nothing. Unions and seniority are meaningless if you let this practice go on-== it should be an immediate slow down, ground roots, uncontrollable by the union, chaos strike if they try it.

 

[DashTrash400]

I've brought up the Compass rumor here before and got yelled at for it by QX folks. I'm hoping it doesn't happen (or Republic, Skywest, etc...any third party). One thing that makes me doubtful that NWA would let Compass bid for AS flying is the fact that AS would most likely want the vendor to supply the aircraft...and with the costs associated with this merger I can't imagine NW/DL are looking to burn through any more cash than necessary. Also, NW has traditionally held their regionals (wholly-owned and non) fairly closely...they only recently allowed (non-wholly-owned) Pinnacle to seek out third party flying, and they extracted their pound of flesh for the privilege.

At least that's my hope. I wish to remain on speaking terms with my friends at AS & QX.

 

[Z_Pilot]

It is a bummer that I am coming to FI to see if I am going to get furloughed. I felt really comfortable coming to the Eskimo because they never furloughed after 9-11. I hope that the senior guys and the NC fight for us junior folks.

 

[Wally]

C'mon People!

It is a bummer that I am coming to FI to see if I am going to get furloughed.

I hope you're kidding... unlike several other posters who seem to take this original post as some official source of news. You guys (who are taking this serious) are being ridiculous! Sure, it's good to be prepared, don't put anything past the CEO, look over your shoulder, etc. But it's regoddamndiculous to take what someone on this board posts as fact unless they can cite a real source.

 

[Green Banana]

Dude, I know it's easier to not worry about it, but never stop looking over your shoulder. Set yourself up to be surprised that nothing happened, not surprised that you're all of the sudden out of a job.

Bill Ayer does not care about you or your family. Not even the tiniest little bit. Don't forget that.

yawn......

This is just the company negotiating away from the table. Same way they tell the rest of the world we are the second highest paid in the country.

Scope? I can do nothing as a line pilot but support my MEC. They are the ones looking out for me. Sitting and complaining on the flight deck or net does nothing but rise your blood pressure. They can't bring me down.

Furlough? Who cares. If I was not absolutely ready to STRIKE, I might care. My house is in order. You freek about this and you are telling the company you are not ready to walk.

MY MEC SPEAKS FOR ME.