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mad691 said:
ALPA's vagina is just as big as the NPA's. The only difference is NPA uses a condom. I'll stick with the NPA. Thank you. They did not do much for Delta, UAL,Usair, CMR,NWA, TWA. All or most have lost there pensions and wages and of course scope is now bigger. Ya, I'll stick with the NPA.
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In house unions don't have the ability to strike. There is simply no money. Would you like a strike assesment? Another .5%

management knows you won't strike....... thus they have no real motivation to negotiate...
 
AAI pilots need to understand that giving away any form of scope will kill them from the bottom up.
 
New Motto for the NPA should be:
BAD BREATH! BAD BREATH! BAD BREATH!
Garlic for everyone! Tootpaste outlawed!
Tootbrushes will be confiscated.
Chronic Halitosis for ALL!

NO SCOPE! No SCOPE! NO SCOPE!
 
I don't know how profitable 75 seat jets are in this market. Look how fast the Republic E-175 contract got rejected by Frontier in bankruptcy (anybody need 12 E-175's). Now, the Q400's, I'll bet their numbers are a whole lot better on the short/medium length runs.

Never was a big fan of a non-Airtran employees flying Airtran customers. If the flight has a FL code on it, it needs to flown by Airtran pilots who actually have something at stake with the company. Outside regional pilots are usually building time for their next job, and in general are not going to provide as good of an experience as Airtran pilots.
 
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Rez O. Lewshun said:
In house unions don't have the ability to strike. There is simply no money. Would you like a strike assesment? Another .5%

management knows you won't strike....... thus they have no real motivation to negotiate...
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When was the last time an ALPA carrier went on strike?
 
El Pobre said:
When was the last time an ALPA carrier went on strike?
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There was a NWA strike in the 1995-97 time frame, I believe was the last one. Prior to that was the EAL one in 1988-89 or so. CAL struck in 1981, pretty sure.
 
El Pobre said:
I believe that the APA only represents pilots working at American but you could try them.
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Not interested. THE pilots' union is ALPA.
 
El Pobre said:
I believe that the APA only represents pilots working at American but you could try them.
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The B-scale boys? That the UAL guys had to fight and WENT ON STRIKE TO DEFEAT!!! Can you tell us what wonderful accomplishments the APA have [ever] done?

If they have done anything... was it before or after the $45MM fine against them?

When was the last time an ALPA carrier went on strike?
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Comair was the last.

Mesaba went to brinkmanship.... strike averted in the last hour...

NWA

EAL/CAL

UAL


In house unions don't strike. They don't have the finances to pull it off. Management negotiates knowing this...

Look at the UPS/IPA contract and look at the FX/ALPA contract. The votes in favor for the UPS contract was closer to 2/3 while the FX contract was closer to 93%. More pilots were happy with the FX contract.

ALPA suxs... but they picket where they want and they have more leverage at the table...
 
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Comair? Pull your head out of your anti-Union a$$.
 
Kharma Police said:
Whitlow Letter
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I wouldn't say that was awe inspiring...but valid...

The APA is a valid bona fide union... And they've done good controlling their pension. Wish ALPA wouldv'e done that, but I don't know the whole story.

My point... we shouldn't make the APA out to anything more than it is.... it is an in house union with very limited CapHill/gov't influence. Their ability to finance a strike is limited... management knows and negotiates as so....
 
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PCL=We can tell you love your ALPA !!!

Alot of people at Airtran came from ALPA carrier, and don't care to use their services, like several airlines in the past year.

Funny=ALPA is going to rely more on regional pilots than majors in the future, IRONIC!!!

The strike word at Airtran can not even be used right now!
 
scarlet said:
The strike word at Airtran can not even be used right now!
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Are you serious?? How many years past the amendable date should we wait and how much reinterpretation/abuse of the current CBA should we allow before we're able to use "the strike word" here???
 
scarlet said:
The strike word at Airtran can not even be used right now!
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News Flash: most FO's, along with the junior captains, have very little to lose at the current pay scales and work rule "reinterpretations".

When a rumor was going around last month that the Company was going to ask for a pay cut in exchange for furlough protection, every single pilot I talked to said, "NO WAY". The mood is not at all as accommodating as in years past, due to the Company's behavior since the Contract became amenable.

In fact, a 717 newhire FO told me, "I would be one of the first ones furloughed, and I STILL would hope that you guys would vote that down. I would rather be on the street than see this place get any worse".

And that's a newhire.

So, Scarlet, lose the kneepads, forget all that crap you were fed by senior pilots who hope you are willing to keep subsidizing their pay, and start thinking for yourself. This place used to be filled with people like you . . . . thankfully, that has changed.
 
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eaglesview said:
News flash the B scale was still around AFTER the UAL strike in 85. Another week ALPA effort.
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So the APA agreed to the B scale. Ferris wanted the B scale at UAL... the ALPA guys struck UAL and eventually stopped the B scale at UAL and the B scale still existed at AMR (at the time?).

The APA is cool and ALPA sucks?

Got it.....
 

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